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binary solo on 15 June 2016
Goatseye said:
binary solo said:

I think they have it wrong. Gamers have been talking about PS4 being more powerful than Xb one not Sony. I may be forgetting, but as far as I know Sony hasn't used PS4's greater power as PR or part of its marketing. IIRC most of the early talk about power was from MS trying to use all sorts of secret sauce stuff to claim that Xb one is more powerful or as powerful as PS4. When gaming media talked to Sony reps about PS4 being more powerful of course they would agree that this is the case, but the Sony reps didn't proactively bring it into conversations.

And? Aside from the fact that he was full of shit, I don't see any mention of Xb one there or that PS4 is more powerful than Xb one. So if this is the best example youo can find of a Sony person (who I've never heard of before this thread), talkong about power then it proves my point. Sony wasn't going around telling gamers PS4 was more powerful than Xb one. It was all just the games media and Sony fans doing it. Which means the claim in the "article" is false.



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Goatseye on 15 June 2016
binary solo said:
Goatseye said:

And? Aside from the fact that he was full of shit, I don't see any mention of Xb one there or that PS4 is more powerful than Xb one. So if this is the best example youo can find of a Sony person (who I've never heard of before this thread), talkong about power then it proves my point. Sony wasn't going around telling gamers PS4 was more powerful than Xb one. It was all just the games media and Sony fans doing it. Which means the claim in the "article" is false.

He didn't have to mention X1. The industry was running crazy on how Xbox One couldn't do 1080p 60fps and Shahid tweeted that. 



Rob5VGC on 15 June 2016
Goatseye said:

This is pretty hilarious as over the past three years all gamers have heard is how much more powerful the PlayStation 4 is over the Xbox One. Now that the tables have turned, and Microsoft has a Xbox One that will be more powerful than the new PS4, Sony is talking more about game narrative than hardware power.

"The most powerful console ever"- Scorpio reveal

Jeremy Conrad is an idiot. How is that hilarious? How have the tables turned? Silly to compare when one is a next gen console to end all future generations while supporting and being in the "Xbox One family"(lol) because MS jumped ship and the other is current.



binary solo on 15 June 2016
ArchangelMadzz said:
binary solo said:

Yeah, this smells just like the 7th gen 1080p talk. Yes Scorpio can do 4k 60fps games, but they will have pretty simple graphics. Even 4K 30fps won't be standard.

We're getting 900p and below games on current 8th gen hardware, and most of the time games are running at 30fps. 900p is 1.44 million pixels, 4K is 9.437 million pixels. That's a 6.5* increase. And on top of that people think Scorpio will push that out at 60fps? When 6 teraflops is only 4.5* Xb one's 1.31 Teraflops.

We'll see as many 4k 60fps games on Scorpio as we do 1080p 60fps games on Xb one, and as many 4K 30fps games on Scorpio as we do 1080p 30fps games on Xb one.

But also you have to remember console-level optimisation. So I think we'll see as many 4k 30fps titles on Scorpio as we do 1080P 30fps on PS4. 

Most scorpio games will be 4k 30fps. With only some games being 4k60fps.

Doesn't Xb one have console level optimisation? So why can't we compare like for like here on raw numbers? I'm certainly completely ignorant when it comes to even the basics of power and output. But intuitively it seems that a console that is only 4.5* the graphical power of something that can't achieve 1080p 30fps for most games is unlikely to be able to make most games output with 6.5 times the pixel count. Perhaps if someone can do an idiots guide it will help me understand. I get that these things don't necessarily have to be proportional, but these are multiplier effects, not additive.



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

Jimi Hendrix

 

Swordmasterman on 15 June 2016

Do the game tagged to this thread really exist or is just a Troll game ?, How can a game be called "Dudebro: My Shit is Fucked Up So I Got to Shoot/Slice You II - It's Straight-Up Dawg Time (PC)" ??.



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binary solo on 15 June 2016
Intrinsic said:
The tables have turned?

People talk like the Neo is already out. Sony has not even officially announced it yet.

I think a lot of people are in for a surprise.

Hasn't Sony said 20-30% more power? Though with rumours also saying 4 teraflops than more than double. Or are both rumours. I thought we had some firm infomration that allowed for direct comparison vs Scoprio of some of the specs.



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

Jimi Hendrix

 

Trunkin on 15 June 2016

1080 or 980...? GTF out of here! Those two cards are on totally different levels!

Though it will be inteeresting to see how Sony handles the unveiling of NEO. I'm guessing we'll see them shy from giving direct numbers for fear of unfavorable comparisons to Scorpio.



Zekkyou on 15 June 2016

Bar brief mentions at places like E3, Sony themselves have rarely ever brought up the PS4's hardware advantage, especially in recent years. It's been primarily gamers and the media pushing the "hardware narrative", not Sony (and a lot of that can be credited to the context of the difference, rather than the inherent gap). I expect it'll be the same with MS; brief mentions, but never a focus.



Goatseye on 15 June 2016
Zekkyou said:
Bar brief mentions at places like E3, Sony themselves have rarely ever brought up the PS4's hardware advantage, especially in recent years. It's been primarily gamers and the media pushing the "hardware narrative", not Sony (and a lot of that can be credited to the context of the difference, rather than the inherent gap). I expect it'll be the same with MS; brief mentions, but never a focus.

In recent years the industry has shown us that the hardware advantages are marginal. You have to get Digital Foundry on the case to whip out their tech to micoscopically analize most cases of performances. Even 1st party games didn't dissipate much doubts. 

But here is a clip of the type of PR in the beggining:

And here's a Watch Dog claim of 1080p 60fps, that later they had to retract:

"The world of Watch_Dogs comes alive on PS4 with the best graphics on any console and exclusive missions found only on PlayStation," reads the description. "Hack everything as you make your way through Chicago's underground as you experience Watch_Dogs in a way that only PS4 can provide, at 60 Frames Per Second in 1080p."

http://www.videogamer.com/ps4/watch_dogs/news/watch_dogs_runs_at_1080p_60fps_on_ps4_says_sony.html




Zekkyou on 15 June 2016
Goatseye said:
Zekkyou said:
Bar brief mentions at places like E3, Sony themselves have rarely ever brought up the PS4's hardware advantage, especially in recent years. It's been primarily gamers and the media pushing the "hardware narrative", not Sony (and a lot of that can be credited to the context of the difference, rather than the inherent gap). I expect it'll be the same with MS; brief mentions, but never a focus.

In recent years the industry has shown us that the hardware advantages are marginal. You have to get Digital Foundry on the case to whip out their tech to micoscopically analize most cases of performances. Even 1st party games didn't dissipate much doubts. 

But here is a clip of the type of PR in the beggining:

-snip-

And here's a Watch Dog claim of 1080p 60fps, that later they had to retract:

"The world of Watch_Dogs comes alive on PS4 with the best graphics on any console and exclusive missions found only on PlayStation," reads the description. "Hack everything as you make your way through Chicago's underground as you experience Watch_Dogs in a way that only PS4 can provide, at 60 Frames Per Second in 1080p."

http://www.videogamer.com/ps4/watch_dogs/news/watch_dogs_runs_at_1080p_60fps_on_ps4_says_sony.html

I didn't say it never happens, just that it was rare (especially in recent years). Their PR focus has always been their games and services, those of their partners, and the PS4's success.

As for the relevancy of the PS4's hardware advantage, that's somewhat subjective. To some it was significant, to others it wasn't. The same will hold true for the Neo and Scorpio. If their launch versions represent the same gap we see here (which would give the Scorpio a similar advantage size to what the PS4 currently has), then MS will be betting on the Scorpio appealing to those who do finds such differences significant. I don't imagine MS would risk a high price for benefits that need to be "microscopically analyzed", as you put it.