There will never be a ps5 and the neo won't be scraped. Gens are dead and pc took over the world. So either cry about it or play. You have two choices.
Ganoncrotch said:
Don't forget as well that it won't be appearing for another 18 months, they could well be just putting down a plan of specs on a sheet of paper right now (along with some fancy cgi images of a PCB lol) but yeah there is every likelyhood that they're not intending to get that level of power and bandwidth with the very best of what there is on offer in 2016 but more likely they'll aim to achieve it with middle of the road tech in 2017. |
18 months sound like a long time, unfortunately it isn't at all in the mass manufacturing/electronics business. The fact is that MS has to finalise the hardware components very soon if they want to come out by late 2017 with this Scorpio box. They better hope that HBM/interposer prices don't fall too fast until 2018 otherwise bandwidth will become available that makes 320GB/s look like a joke by then. Then again, I wonder where that 6TF number comes from. Again, that 6TF design thing must exist pretty much now. The soon-to-arive AMD 480 won't get you there and is rated at 150W which is already too high for a console gpu. Unless the whole spec thing is more or less a bluff by MS to take the wind off Sony.
drkohler said:
18 months sound like a long time, unfortunately it isn't at all in the mass manufacturing/electronics business. The fact is that MS has to finalise the hardware components very soon if they want to come out by late 2017 with this Scorpio box. They better hope that HBM/interposer prices don't fall too fast until 2018 otherwise bandwidth will become available that makes 320GB/s look like a joke by then. Then again, I wonder where that 6TF number comes from. Again, that 6TF design thing must exist pretty much now. The soon-to-arive AMD 480 won't get you there and is rated at 150W which is already too high for a console gpu. Unless the whole spec thing is more or less a bluff by MS to take the wind off Sony. |
Could very well be the case you know, just a scare tactic to make Sony jump the gun and fuck up their own plans with the NEO, make it look weak in comparison, I mean... a promise of 4k games in 2 years time is a good promise... but the X360 was also meant to play 1080p games in 2006 ... I think maybe Limbo was 1080p and a handful of other indie games heh.
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drkohler said:
18 months sound like a long time, unfortunately it isn't at all in the mass manufacturing/electronics business. The fact is that MS has to finalise the hardware components very soon if they want to come out by late 2017 with this Scorpio box. They better hope that HBM/interposer prices don't fall too fast until 2018 otherwise bandwidth will become available that makes 320GB/s look like a joke by then. Then again, I wonder where that 6TF number comes from. Again, that 6TF design thing must exist pretty much now. The soon-to-arive AMD 480 won't get you there and is rated at 150W which is already too high for a console gpu. Unless the whole spec thing is more or less a bluff by MS to take the wind off Sony. |
I don't think the spec is a bluff. It would be really risky to give fake specs ay E3 when every gaming outlet is there. I think this will be the first proper PC / console hybrid that MS will have to take on steam. The push they are making on the digital space with games hints at that direction.
I think Sony may up their machine to 5TF but they won't hit 6TF. The result will be a cheaper machine but less powerful.
| Scisca said: I think that's a preemptive strike to steal the PS4 Neo's thunder and on top of that it's the announcement that from now on, there will be no more generations, but regular upgrades. They are trying to turn Xbox into an iPhone situation in which gamers know that there will be regular upgrades, but keep buying consoles knowing that their games portfolio will go with them, so there's no point waiting with a purchase. |
This is seriously what I hope happens. I want a hardware refresh every 4 to 5 years, but I don't want a whole new gen that basically either forces me to re-buy games (both digital and physical) for the new system or keep the old system in the game cabinet. All the reasons why in the past it was really difficult to make previous hardware games compatable with new hardware are pretty much all gone.
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| Fei-Hung said: I think Sony may up their machine to 5TF but they won't hit 6TF. The result will be a cheaper machine but less powerful. |
No, that NEO thing is in production now if the rumoured late October date is correct. No way to change the machine now.
I just peeked into the MS presentation around the scorpio bit (and apart form the usual pr bulshit talk) it shows a 384bit gddr5 bus so 12GB of memory around 336GB/s like the GTX980ti interface. Then again, I only noticed 5 power fets in that cgi animation, and good luck running a 6TF apu on 5 fets....
I think Microsoft is failing to realise why the X360 was such a success:
- First to the market
- Cheaper than the competitor
The Scorpio will be:
- Last to the market
- More expensive than the competitor
drkohler said:
No, that NEO thing is in production now if the rumoured late October date is correct. No way to change the machine now. I just peeked into the MS presentation around the scorpio bit (and apart form the usual pr bulshit talk) it shows a 384bit gddr5 bus so 12GB of memory around 336GB/s like the GTX980ti interface. Then again, I only noticed 5 power fets in that cgi animation, and good luck running a 6TF apu on 5 fets.... |
Of Neo rumours are true, don't they also have 12GB RAM? And how likely is it that they can upclock their processor to get more processing power?
Is this Xbox one's successor ?
| Fei-Hung said: If Neo rumours are true, don't they also have 12GB RAM? And how likely is it that they can upclock their processor to get more processing power? |
No, the rumour states 220GB/s gddr5 which initially triggered my bullshit detector as it is only a minor speed upgrade and the PS4 is already struggling with bandwidth. Then again we would have compression hardware on the gpu side of the Neo (I wonder if or how the cpu has access to compressed gpu data though). I'm sure Sony made extensive simulations before the rather small bandwith uptick was laid in stone.
Notice that the Neo is basically just a faster PS4 and Sony mandates that all software must run on both systems (no exclusives). It will be interesting to see what happens with X1/Scorpio software as the Scorpio is an X2.
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