SuaveSocialist said:
Sorry, but those charts and figures were accurate. Second Amendment was an interesting hypothesis, only to be disproven by reality. |
Great non-argument. If you assert it enough, it becomes true?
SuaveSocialist said:
Sorry, but those charts and figures were accurate. Second Amendment was an interesting hypothesis, only to be disproven by reality. |
Great non-argument. If you assert it enough, it becomes true?
sc94597 said:
Great non-argument. If you assert it enough, it becomes true? |
Picture a Flat-Earther saying that to an astronaut. If you can do that much you may understand why I, like the astronaut, am unmoved by such a statement. There was nothing to argue---the data is both verifiable and clear.
SuaveSocialist said:
Picture a Flat-Earther saying that to an astronaut. If you can do that much you may understand why I, like the astronaut, am unmoved by such a statement. There was nothing to argue---the data is clear. |
False equivalency. The shape of the earth is based on various inputs of collaborating data, most of which is accumulated through rigourous induction. The argument for gun control is purely deductive (almost every study finds no significant correlation between gun ownership and homicide rate.) It is telling that the sample sizes must be ever narrowed until the desired hypothesis is met. This is obviously an example of confirmation bias, and quite honestly unscientific/intellectually dishonest. Nevertheless if you assert it enough maybe you will convince people. Keep at it, comrade! It is the socialist way isn't it? Disarm populations so that you can send them to the gulags.
sc94597 said:
False equivalency. The shape of the earth is based on various inputs of collaborating data, most of which is accumulated through rigourous induction. |
Like the aforementioned figures. So it's not false equivalency at all, actually. But go right on ahead. If it gives you psychological validation, feel free to deny reality and try to replace it with your own.
Bye!
SuaveSocialist said:
Like the aforementioned figures. So it's not false equivalency at all, actually. But go right on ahead. If it gives you psychological validation, feel free to deny reality and try to replace it with your own. Bye! |
Such figures are hardly scientific. I am talking about actual peer-reviewed academic research.
curl-6 said:
I just don't think we can blame the issue largely on foreign terrorism when most such attacks come from homegrown killers not afiliated with Islam. Islamic extremism is definitely a problem, I don't think anyone here would deny that. But if we removed Jihadis from the equation, the mass killings wouldn't just stop. |
Islamic extremisim is a huge problem around the world. It has literally ruined countries and is the cause of wars. In my opinion, people downplay the damage Islamic extremist are doing and how much resources are wasted combating it.
Lets not pretend all the damage done in the Islam is just in the US.
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Mr Puggsly said:
Islamic extremisim is a huge problem around the world. It has literally ruined countries and is the cause of wars. In my opinion, people downplay the damage Islamic extremist are doing and how much resources are wasted combating it. Lets not pretend all the damage done in the Islam is just in the US. |
Again, I doubt anybody here would deny that Islamic extremism is a major global problem.
But if all Jihadis disappeared overnight, the mass killings in the US would not just cease, because most of them aren't committed by Jihadis.
Hiku said:
1. The difference between a state and another country is generally much greater than between states belonging to the same country. But whether one state has been better off than another doesn't change that this still concerns the United States. 3. The intention of the second ammendment is obsolete today, as it was written to allow civilians to form a militia against a tyranical government. That made sense when it was all muskets, but today it would mean guns vs drones, tanks and fighter jets.
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1. If anything that is an argument in my favor. If the U.S states are more similar to eachother why do some have lenient gun control laws and less homicides while others have more strict gun control laws and more homicides? Why is a state like New Hampshire (which is quite lenient on gun control) have the lowest homicide rate in the country?
2. Without legislation (or a state) people would still manufacture, buy and sell guns. There is no law saying "produce guns", "sell guns", etc besides the laws of supply and demand.
3. In your opinion as a foreigner. Not in the opinion of the majority of Americans. I think if we consider cost and risk-theory it is quite obvious that an armed popoulation makes it much harder to enact tyrannical solutions than an unarmed one. If Donald Trump decided to deport all Muslims, and the Muslims were armed, it would be a much harder choice to make, and the results would be costly.
4. And if the effect is that no lives are saved, and possibly there is more internal strife in the country? How many people will die when the police enforce their gun prohibition and the majority of owners refuse them?
5. Not for many of the reasons Americans want guns. As far as I recall, self-defense is not a valid reason.
6. He was with adults. If he tried that on his own he wouldn't be able to pull it off. Many kids hunt from a young age (my brother shot a bear when he was 14.) This is quite normal actually.
7. We aren't even talking about inconvenience. We are talking about practicality. You failed to describe how you would go about restricting the 300 million guns that are already out there.
8. I reiliterate, O'reilley is an idiot. He is not the spokesperson for all gun rights people.
9. Again, it isn't inconvenience it is practically. How would you finance the mandatory buy back? How would you enforce the buy back on those who refuse (and trust me, they will exist?) What kind of draconian methods would you use? We already saw what drug prohibition and alcohol prohibition has done.
curl-6 said:
Again, I doubt anybody here would deny that Islamic extremism is a major global problem. But if all Jihadis disappeared overnight, the mass killings in the US would not just cease, because most of them aren't committed by Jihadis. |
Fair enough, but these Jihadi attacks in the west are becoming a bigger issue because the west has failed to put the kibosh on Islamic extremist in the middle east.
But hey, the US doesent even bother to resolve gang violence and thats a vast majority of annual killings.
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Mr Puggsly said:
Fair enough, but these Jihadi attacks in the west are becoming a bigger issue because the west has failed to put the kibosh on Islamic extremist in the middle east. But hey, the US doesent even bother to resolve gang violence and thats a vast majority of annual killings. |
I don't think extremism can be so easily solved as just clamping down on regimes in the Middle East. Invading/bombing countries to kill terrorists tends to generate new ones to replace them. A kid's house is blown up by a wayward drone strike, he grows up hating the West, and as an adult blows himself up in a crowd of people in Europe.
But that's a whole other topic.