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Mr Puggsly on 16 June 2016
curl-6 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Fair enough, but these Jihadi attacks in the west are becoming a bigger issue because the west has failed to put the kibosh on Islamic extremist in the middle east.

But hey, the US doesent even bother to resolve gang violence and thats a vast majority of annual killings.

I don't think extremism can be so easily solved as just clamping down on regimes in the Middle East. Invading/bombing countries to kill terrorists tends to generate new ones to replace them. A kid's house is blown up by a wayward drone strike, he grows up hating the West, and as an adult blows himself up in a crowd of people in Europe. 

But that's a whole other topic.

The success Islamic extremist are having in the middle east is inspiring people with the same views to do similar attacks around the world.

These people will hate the west regardless what we do. They slaughter people in their own countries that having opposing views, being homosexual, etc. So the only solution is find and perhaps elimate as many extremist we can.

We simply can't coexist with them, they hate our way of life.



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Goodnightmoon on 16 June 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
curl-6 said:

I don't think extremism can be so easily solved as just clamping down on regimes in the Middle East. Invading/bombing countries to kill terrorists tends to generate new ones to replace them. A kid's house is blown up by a wayward drone strike, he grows up hating the West, and as an adult blows himself up in a crowd of people in Europe. 

But that's a whole other topic.

The success Islamic extremist are having in the middle east is inspiring people with the same views to do similar attacks around the world.

These people will hate the west regardless what we do. They slaughter people in their own countries that having opposing views, being homosexual, etc. So the only solution is find and perhaps elimate as many extremist we can.

We simply can't coexist with them, they hate our way of life.

The more people we kill in the east to satisfy our hungry capitalism system the more extremist Islamic people we are creating, is very easy that they see a country like EEUU as the evil in earth when they are constantly killing them.



Mr Puggsly on 16 June 2016
Goodnightmoon said:
Mr Puggsly said:

The success Islamic extremist are having in the middle east is inspiring people with the same views to do similar attacks around the world.

These people will hate the west regardless what we do. They slaughter people in their own countries that having opposing views, being homosexual, etc. So the only solution is find and perhaps elimate as many extremist we can.

We simply can't coexist with them, they hate our way of life.

The more people we kill in the east to satisfy our hungry capitalism system the more extremist Islamic people we are creating, is very easy that they see a country like EEUU as the evil in earth when they are constantly killing them.

They create Islamic extremist regardless of what we do. Sorry, but not killing them would just make them stronger.

I prefer our capitalist system over the tyranny they are forced in.



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Dark_Lord_2008 on 16 June 2016

Guns are not to blame for this tragedy. It is bad man who bought a high powered gun and carried out an unspeakable terrorist attack. If more people had guns they may have stopped this guy from carrying out this terrorist attack.



Soundwave on 17 June 2016
Dark_Lord_2008 said:
Guns are not to blame for this tragedy. It is bad man who bought a high powered gun and carried out an unspeakable terrorist attack. If more people had guns they may have stopped this guy from carrying out this terrorist attack.

He would not have been able to kill probably even 70% of those people if he didn't have access to an AR-15. There was an ARMED off duty police officer at the front of the club, he couldn't do anything to stop this guy because he was overwhlemed by the amount of fire power the guy had. 



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Goodnightmoon on 17 June 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
Goodnightmoon said:

The more people we kill in the east to satisfy our hungry capitalism system the more extremist Islamic people we are creating, is very easy that they see a country like EEUU as the evil in earth when they are constantly killing them.

They create Islamic extremist regardless of what we do. Sorry, but not killing them would just make them stronger.

I prefer our capitalist system over the tyranny they are forced in.

But our capitalist system shouldn't be as extremelly savage as it is, it has already killed way more people than comunism did, big wars nowadays are just because the money, our system works better than theirs, but is really fucked up and we should be trying to change ourself first, and not only forcing the rest of the world to change, or to basically accept that we have the right to kill them when we want money, because that's hatefull.



Soundwave on 17 June 2016

It's very hard to kill an ideology especially one that is not rooted any central nation state.

The US still has not defeated the freaking Taliban, those guys are still around after 15 years of being bombed over and over and over again.



Mr Puggsly on 17 June 2016
Goodnightmoon said:
Mr Puggsly said:

They create Islamic extremist regardless of what we do. Sorry, but not killing them would just make them stronger.

I prefer our capitalist system over the tyranny they are forced in.

But our capitalist system shouldn't be as extremelly savage as it is, it has already killed way more people than comunism did, big wars nowadays are just because the money, our system works better than theirs, but is really fucked up and we should be trying to change ourself first, and not only forcing the rest of the world to change, or to basically accept that we have the right to kill them when we want money, because that's hatefull.

Our capitalist system killed more people communism? I don't understand this statement. I mean its estimated communism has killed like 100 million people, maybe you need to elaborate your point.

The system the middle east has doesn't need to be perfect, but its a fucking mess. More importantly, its a mess that kills people in the west because our way of life is an afront to them. They need to be wiped out and maybe there just isn't a place in this world Islamic extremist.



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Soundwave on 17 June 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
Goodnightmoon said:

But our capitalist system shouldn't be as extremelly savage as it is, it has already killed way more people than comunism did, big wars nowadays are just because the money, our system works better than theirs, but is really fucked up and we should be trying to change ourself first, and not only forcing the rest of the world to change, or to basically accept that we have the right to kill them when we want money, because that's hatefull.

Our capitalist system killed more people communism? I don't understand this statement. I mean its estimated communism has killed like 100 million people, maybe you need to elaborate your point.

The system the middle east has doesn't need to be perfect, but its a fucking mess. More importantly, its a mess that kills people in the west because our way of life is an afront to them. They need to be wiped out and maybe there just isn't a place in this world Islamic extremist.

Are you too young to not remember what happened after 9/11? There was a bunch of chest thumping, hell we even invaded and destroyed a country that didn't even have anything to do with 9/11 because there wasn't enough to bomb in Afghanistan. 

For every one person killed in the World Trade Center, something like 167 people in the Middle East were killed. 

After 10+ years of continual bombing ... here we are, and terrorism is still a problem and extremism. I mean shit, even the Taliban are still around, and they've been bombed for like 15 years running, lol. 

I don't think violence alone can solve this issue. All it does in the longer term is create more hatred of the West. 



Goodnightmoon on 17 June 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
Goodnightmoon said:

But our capitalist system shouldn't be as extremelly savage as it is, it has already killed way more people than comunism did, big wars nowadays are just because the money, our system works better than theirs, but is really fucked up and we should be trying to change ourself first, and not only forcing the rest of the world to change, or to basically accept that we have the right to kill them when we want money, because that's hatefull.

Our capitalist system killed more people communism? I don't understand this statement. I mean its estimated communism has killed like 100 million people, maybe you need to elaborate your point.

The system the middle east has doesn't need to be perfect, but its a fucking mess. More importantly, its a mess that kills people in the west because our way of life is an afront to them. They need to be wiped out and maybe there just isn't a place in this world Islamic extremist.

Yeah, and when you combine all the conflicts caused for Capitalism since S.XIX the number is way higher than that, there's even some estimations that go up to 1.5 billions of deaths, and while is hard to get exact information from very old conflicts, we dont need to go so far in time, more accurate estimations says that EEUU has killed around 20m of people since 2nd world War in more than 200 operations, more deaths than the Holocaust, 2m just in relatively recent wars, of course this is that kind of data TV never shows specially in USA so people dont get their american ego hurt and maybe they start to question if there is something wrong with their system.