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Nope. They are overhyped for some reason though.

I actually disagree with those review scores. WoW for example is no 93 currently, overwatch is definitly not worth anything above a 7 due to how little content it has, Diablo is also an exercise on repetition. Its about an 80 but nothing special about it. Dungeon siege 3 for example, looked better and had a better story and fell in the 70's.
Heroes of the storm i don't even know what to say. Theres nothing original about it and it puzzles me why people play it (probably cause its f2p).



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They were
They're awful now, like your average mobile developer



Azzanation said:
Hynad said:

WoW killed Warcraft for me, so no.

More seriously,  I'd say they're among the best in the industry (along with the likes of Naughty Dog, who have made 4 pretty different franchises and nailed each of their respective game genre). Blizzard's games are always greatly polished and of quality only a select few matches in the industry.

But I think they've lost a lot of the energy and originality they had during the 90s.

I am more interested in knowing what those 4 genres Naughty Dog nailed? I can think of Crash being one of them, which is fair enough, they were fun platformers, but what are the other 3? Kart racing went from Great with CTR to below average with Jak X. There next platformer series Jak and Daxter are far from top of the table games. I would consider them good games but there nothing above that, let’s be totally honest here. There’s a reason they stopped making them. Naughty Dog are great at making linear action experiences like Uncharted and they did make great platformers with Crash for the PS1, however years later there next attempts at platforming and kart racing fell below par. Which is why you don’t see them jumping into those genres anymore. Rockstar are the same, they can produce GOTY games like Red Dead and GTA however that’s the only genre they work on.

I am saying what a company can do now, not what they did make 2 to 3 generations ago. I use to consider Rare the best in the industry in the 90s but its quite clearly that Rare of today is far from that mark, much like ND are with Crash. If we go by what you mentioned with ND and there genres they covered years ago then Rare would still hold that crown today by a big margin.

As for Blizzard losing their energy compared to the 90s? Not sure how they lost energy when today they have a lot more on their plate and become so much more as a company then what they ever dreamed of becoming.

Of course you'd be interested in hearing about that. I saw it coming a mile away.
But I'm not here to debate the merits of Naughty Dog's games with someone like you. 

Just focus on the part that I agreed with you about Blizzard, and let's leave it at that. I am not interested in reading what you have to say about Sony's first party developers. 




Hynad said:
Azzanation said:

I am more interested in knowing what those 4 genres Naughty Dog nailed? I can think of Crash being one of them, which is fair enough, they were fun platformers, but what are the other 3? Kart racing went from Great with CTR to below average with Jak X. There next platformer series Jak and Daxter are far from top of the table games. I would consider them good games but there nothing above that, let’s be totally honest here. There’s a reason they stopped making them. Naughty Dog are great at making linear action experiences like Uncharted and they did make great platformers with Crash for the PS1, however years later there next attempts at platforming and kart racing fell below par. Which is why you don’t see them jumping into those genres anymore. Rockstar are the same, they can produce GOTY games like Red Dead and GTA however that’s the only genre they work on.

I am saying what a company can do now, not what they did make 2 to 3 generations ago. I use to consider Rare the best in the industry in the 90s but its quite clearly that Rare of today is far from that mark, much like ND are with Crash. If we go by what you mentioned with ND and there genres they covered years ago then Rare would still hold that crown today by a big margin.

As for Blizzard losing their energy compared to the 90s? Not sure how they lost energy when today they have a lot more on their plate and become so much more as a company then what they ever dreamed of becoming.

Of course you'd be interested in hearing about that. I saw it coming a mile away.
But I'm not here to debate about the merits of Naughty Dog's games with you. 

Just focus on the part that I agreed with you about Blizzard, and let's leave it at that. I am not interested in reading what you have to say about Sony's first party developers. 


I am happy to move on, however you brought them up so i opened the door for you.



Azzanation said:
Hynad said:

Of course you'd be interested in hearing about that. I saw it coming a mile away.
But I'm not here to debate about the merits of Naughty Dog's games with you. 

Just focus on the part that I agreed with you about Blizzard, and let's leave it at that. I am not interested in reading what you have to say about Sony's first party developers. 


I am happy to move on, however you brought them up so i opened the door for you.

Actually, it was first brought up by BraLoD, and I just so happened to agree with him.




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Mr Puggsly said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Debatable. Console gamers have more great developers to work with. PC gamers Blizzard is definitely king. For console games Rockstar, Bioware, Naughty Dog, Nintendo and much much more are competing for that table.

Its also worth pointing out PC gamers in general are interested in different types of games than console gamers.

For example, what Valve does appeals more to console gamers. Or it atleast used to be that way.

At one point console games were separate, but every since 2005 PC games have been intergrating into the fold. In that time a large band of staple names had formed in console gaming that PC gamers couldnt touch until porting occured. Vice versa for certain games PC games as well. PC is nice, but when I look at PC iI only see the twin pillars of Valve and Blizzard. When I look at consoles I see a plethora of high level competition.



I'm not interested in most of their games, but I cant deny their wide appeal and quality.



Hynad said:
Azzanation said:

I am happy to move on, however you brought them up so i opened the door for you.

Actually, it was first brought up by BraLoD, and I just so happened to agree with him.


Then you and BraLod should make a thread about ND's greatness. If you have read my article you would know exactly what I’m trying to say. I am talking about making master pieces on more than one genre for the modern gamer. Not one company that can release a very good game every so often. If that was the case then there would be more than just ND mentioned in this thread.

Nem said:
Nope. They are overhyped for some reason though.

I actually disagree with those review scores. WoW for example is no 93 currently, overwatch is definitly not worth anything above a 7 due to how little content it has, Diablo is also an exercise on repetition. Its about an 80 but nothing special about it. Dungeon siege 3 for example, looked better and had a better story and fell in the 70's.
Heroes of the storm i don't even know what to say. Theres nothing original about it and it puzzles me why people play it (probably cause its f2p).

You do realise that League of Legends copied Warcraft 3's formula which then Dota 2 copied LoL's formula. Heroes is technically the original game out of the 3 since others practically stole from Blizzard to begin with. Hats off to LoL for creating the new genre and Dota for pushing it forward. The originality started with Warcraft 3's MP.



Azzanation said:
Hynad said:

Actually, it was first brought up by BraLoD, and I just so happened to agree with him.


Then you and BraLod should make a thread about ND's greatness. If you have read my article you would know exactly what I’m trying to say. I am talking about making master pieces on more than one genre for the modern gamer. Not one company that can release very good game every so often. If that was the case then there would be more than just ND mentioned in this thread.

Nem said:
Nope. They are overhyped for some reason though.

I actually disagree with those review scores. WoW for example is no 93 currently, overwatch is definitly not worth anything above a 7 due to how little content it has, Diablo is also an exercise on repetition. Its about an 80 but nothing special about it. Dungeon siege 3 for example, looked better and had a better story and fell in the 70's.
Heroes of the storm i don't even know what to say. Theres nothing original about it and it puzzles me why people play it (probably cause its f2p).

You do realise that League of Legends copied Warcraft 3's formula which then Dota 2 copied LoL's formula. Heroes is technically the original game out of the 3 since others practically stole from Blizzard to begin with. Hats off to LoL for creating the new genre and Dota for pushing it forward. The originality started with Warcraft 3's MP.

Well, to me, Blizzard hasn't made a masterpiece since Warcraft 2 and Diablo 2... So...



Hynad said:
Azzanation said:

Then you and BraLod should make a thread about ND's greatness. If you have read my article you would know exactly what I’m trying to say. I am talking about making master pieces on more than one genre for the modern gamer. Not one company that can release very good game every so often. If that was the case then there would be more than just ND mentioned in this thread.

You do realise that League of Legends copied Warcraft 3's formula which then Dota 2 copied LoL's formula. Heroes is technically the original game out of the 3 since others practically stole from Blizzard to begin with. Hats off to LoL for creating the new genre and Dota for pushing it forward. The originality started with Warcraft 3's MP.

Well, to me, Blizzard hasn't made a masterpiece since Warcraft 2 and Diablo 2... So...

And your 100% entitled to your own opinion. I could also say the same thing for other companies. But ill save that for another thread.