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Leave or remain

Leave 412 53.72%
 
Remain 355 46.28%
 
Total:767

After Trump they are also happy in Russia (bit awkward).

 

According to the Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper, the United States blamed the referendum results on Russia. Former U.S. Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul said that the election results were “a great victory” for President Vladimir Putin's foreign policy. 

"Not always, but tonight is giant victory for Putin's foreign policy objectives. Give him credit,” McFaul wrote on Twitter Thursday.

"Putin did not cause the outcome; he just benefited from it," McFaul posted on Twitter on Friday. 

Business ombudsman Boris Titov said that the long-term consequences of the referendum would separate Europe from the United States.

“This is not the independance of Britain from the European Union, it's the independance of the European Union from the United States,” he wrote on Facebook.

In 10 years it will be possible to talk about a United Eurasia, he added.






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konnichiwa said:

In 10 years it will be possible to talk about a United Eurasia, he added.

Yeah, no, thank you



kowenicki said:
LurkerJ said:

I hear some are already too negatively affected. I hope you are not one of them

Its not that the affect is that negative... (marketwise it actually isn't, a drop of 5% on the main Uk index isnt THAT bad),  It's just that the recovery is now put back another couple of years.  It has been 8 years since the financial collapse and ever since it has been one thing after another.

The pound obviously weakens (not necessarily a bad thing), as will the Euro in the coming weeks and as a direct result the Yen and Dollar will strengthen as a flight currency, the Japanese REALLY dont want that. 

The impact is definitely global.  Makes me laugh when we have had people from smaller European countries sneering and taking glee from this when THEY stand to lose more than anyone.  Ignorance is bliss I guess.

Best of luck, man. I hate to see bads things happening to you guys. Hearts with the UK.  



fatslob-:O said:
Wow, the nerve of some people in here to downplay the choice of the voters ...

So the Brits are now the equivalent of Trump supporters and their failures ? LOL ...

Yes, pretty much the same uneducated older voters primarily concerned about racism, and it's hurting their country.  In a similar way, Trump (Mr. Bankrupcy) supporters are short sighted angry people that will sacrifice jobs, the country, and the people that work for a living for some myopic illusion.

Look at how the world is reacting to the UK leaving EU and probably breaking up.  Scotland is working on another referendum and one of their largest supporters for UK unity, JR Rowling, is now for leaving and having Scotland part of the EU again.  Think about it - how much does she proudly pay in taxes?  Millions and Millions?  Billions?  She has more money than the queen - she props up Millions of people and proudly assist ‘the welfare state’ (not the same as the US), and all that along with London as the world banking power is now going to leave (the business said before the vote they would leave if the UK left the EU.)

Now the UK has to renegotiate all sorts of treaties - they fear one of their few manufacturing, auto, might face huge tariffs - and thus be lost.  So much wasted time on negotiations!  As well as so much food is imported to the UK, will the falling pound, now all of that cost more.  Plus foreigners can now go buying up more parts of the UK – so much for their plan for ‘sovereignty.’  

Is that what people wanted?  To put the UK on the auction block?  Well, that's what happens.  And if Trump get elected, it will be even worse for the USA.  All he has to do is go on one of his rants, and one or two OPEC country switch from US Dollars to Euros.  It will devastate the stability of the US Economy, and that's just one consequence to his manicness.  (I'm still not convinced he isn't just joking though.)

Do you want the USA to break up in a similar way?  Do you think that would be good?



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

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tokilamockingbrd said:
Soundwave said:
What does Britain from a functional standpoint even gain from this?

Like they weren't using the Euro so they don't really gain from that. Even the whole "controlling immigration" thing from what I understand the UK was already doing that by basically not taking any refugees, so they clearly had some control there already.

the ability to do whatever the fuck they want. 

I live in the US. I cant even fathom the concept of some unelected foriegn body making decisions for my country. It would be hypocritical for me to expect another country to do the same unless they choose to. 

But that's exactly what the USA is!  A bunch of different countries that joined together.  English wasn't even a majority language till the last 100 years and the whole 'one nation' image is a fairly new concept.  It had French Parts, English Parts, Spanish Parts, German Parts, Irish Parts, African Parts, Native People's Parts, etc. and all joined together for the common good.

Individual states have all sorts of different laws, but some mutually agreed upon common laws are federal and affect everyone.  Did you know Murder isn’t even illegal under Federal Law? 

But they have free trade, a giant transportation system, and free immigration across states, standarized safey etc.  That’s what made the EU strong, and now UK will lose a whole bunch of business and clout. The EU will remain.

To me it’s like watching a person right their bicycle full speed into a brick wall.  Sure, they have the Right to do it, but knowing the likely consequence, it just doesn’t seem very bright.  



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

Tell me a funny joke!

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Zappykins said:

Yes, pretty much the same uneducated older voters primarily concerned about racism, and it's hurting their country.  In a similar way, Trump (Mr. Bankrupcy) supporters are short sighted angry people that will sacrifice jobs, the country, and the people that work for a living for some myopic illusion.

So the Brits should just readily welcome the islamic extremists on their borders now ? What your saying is that the the founding fathers of the United States fought for an illusion which is sovereignty just like what Trump and his supporters is doing now ? 

Look at how the world is reacting to the UK leaving EU and probably breaking up.  Scotland is working on another referendum and one of their largest supporters for UK unity, JR Rowling, is now for leaving and having Scotland part of the EU again.  Think about it - how much does she proudly pay in taxes?  Millions and Millions?  Billions?  She has more money than the queen - she props up Millions of people and proudly assist ‘the welfare state’ (not the same as the US), and all that along with London as the world banking power is now going to leave (the business said before the vote they would leave if the UK left the EU.)

Most of it is an over reaction and if Scotland wants their independence again only to be taken away by the nanny state (EU) once more then let them have it LOL ... 

Now the UK has to renegotiate all sorts of treaties - they fear one of their few manufacturing, auto, might face huge tariffs - and thus be lost.  So much wasted time on negotiations!  As well as so much food is imported to the UK, will the falling pound, now all of that cost more.  Plus foreigners can now go buying up more parts of the UK – so much for their plan for ‘sovereignty.’  

What good were the negotiations from the EU when when they didn't even match the interests of the UK according to voter turnout ? Sure they might face tariffs from EU members but they depend more on the UK than it is the other way around since the EU has a trade surplus with he UK. Better a land that can make it's own laws than the unelected bureaucrats in the Brussels ... 

Is that what people wanted?  To put the UK on the auction block?  Well, that's what happens.  And if Trump get elected, it will be even worse for the USA.  All he has to do is go on one of his rants, and one or two OPEC country switch from US Dollars to Euros.  It will devastate the stability of the US Economy, and that's just one consequence to his manicness.  (I'm still not convinced he isn't just joking though.)

It is what the people wanted, in fact it was determined DEMOCRATICALLY. Trump is in it to protect his own nations interest in the face of foreign powers around the globe where Hillary would so gladly give up America's sovereignty and democracy in face of a unified dictatorship across the globe much like the proponents of the remain camp ... 

Do you want the USA to break up in a similar way?  Do you think that would be good?

Yes, I do want the US to be divided since it'll tell us who those who do not respect their own country's sovereignty do NOT deserve to have a democracy ...  

 

I am so proud that the anti-global political power movement is gaining traction so when November comes I want people to stick it in the pro-establishments behind by derailing Clinton's presidential campaign and I will be extremely thrilled about hearing news of other EU members memberhip referendum ...

The politically left may as well be politically synonmous with dictatorship these days if they promote government for globalism so much ...

It's extremely naive to believe that the rest of the world has the best interests for the US much like the EU for the UK ...



fatslob-:O said:
Zappykins said:

Yes, pretty much the same uneducated older voters primarily concerned about racism, and it's hurting their country.  In a similar way, Trump (Mr. Bankrupcy) supporters are short sighted angry people that will sacrifice jobs, the country, and the people that work for a living for some myopic illusion.

So the Brits should just readily welcome the islamic extremists on their borders now ? What your saying is that the the founding fathers of the United States fought for an illusion which is sovereignty just like what Trump and his supporters is doing now ? 

Look at how the world is reacting to the UK leaving EU and probably breaking up.  Scotland is working on another referendum and one of their largest supporters for UK unity, JR Rowling, is now for leaving and having Scotland part of the EU again.  Think about it - how much does she proudly pay in taxes?  Millions and Millions?  Billions?  She has more money than the queen - she props up Millions of people and proudly assist ‘the welfare state’ (not the same as the US), and all that along with London as the world banking power is now going to leave (the business said before the vote they would leave if the UK left the EU.)

Most of it is an over reaction and if Scotland wants their independence again only to be taken away by the nanny state (EU) once more then let them have it LOL ... 

Now the UK has to renegotiate all sorts of treaties - they fear one of their few manufacturing, auto, might face huge tariffs - and thus be lost.  So much wasted time on negotiations!  As well as so much food is imported to the UK, will the falling pound, now all of that cost more.  Plus foreigners can now go buying up more parts of the UK – so much for their plan for ‘sovereignty.’  

What good were the negotiations from the EU when when they didn't even match the interests of the UK according to voter turnout ? Sure they might face tariffs from EU members but they depend more on the UK than it is the other way around since the EU has a trade surplus with he UK. Better a land that can make it's own laws than the unelected bureaucrats in the Brussels ... 

Is that what people wanted?  To put the UK on the auction block?  Well, that's what happens.  And if Trump get elected, it will be even worse for the USA.  All he has to do is go on one of his rants, and one or two OPEC country switch from US Dollars to Euros.  It will devastate the stability of the US Economy, and that's just one consequence to his manicness.  (I'm still not convinced he isn't just joking though.)

It is what the people wanted, in fact it was determined DEMOCRATICALLY. Trump is in it to protect his own nations interest in the face of foreign powers around the globe where Hillary would so gladly give up America's sovereignty and democracy in face of a unified dictatorship across the globe much like the proponents of the remain camp ... 

Do you want the USA to break up in a similar way?  Do you think that would be good?

Yes, I do want the US to be divided since it'll tell us who those who do not respect their own country's sovereignty do NOT deserve to have a democracy ...  

 

I am so proud that the anti-global political power movement is gaining traction so when November comes I want people to stick it in the pro-establishments behind by derailing Clinton's presidential campaign and I will be extremely thrilled about hearing news of other EU members memberhip referendum ...

The politically left may as well be politically synonmous with dictatorship these days if they promote government for globalism so much ...

It's extremely naive to believe that the rest of the world has the best interests for the US much like the EU for the UK ...

Capitalism inevitably creates global markets, you can't have it both ways, it's not the 20th century anymore, the world is global and connected and nothing is going to change that, I think people just need to get over that. The internet is a thing now the very fact that I can chat with you right now whereas 30-40 years ago we'd have no interface at all is proof of that, global travel is easier and cheap, etc. etc. 

If I'm running a business I don't give a fuck about national soverignty, I will make my product at the lowest cost where I can get it so I can maximize my profit and I want access to the global market, not just 1 or 2 markets. 

That's the way of the world now, and it was inevitable. Quite frankly the 20th century sucked anyway, not sure why people agrandize the past so much. The world we live in now is much better. Having school kids do drills about hiding under your desk because of a nuclear attack or an entire generation losing their lives because of WW2 ... I'm sorry but I'd much rather live in the now. 



Soundwave said:

Capitalism inevitably creates global markets, you can't have it both ways, it's not the 20th century anymore, the world is global and connected and nothing is going to change that, I think people just need to get over that. 

If I'm running a business I don't give a fuck about national soverignty, I will make my product at the lowest cost where I can get it so I can maximize my profit and I want access to the global market, not just 1 or 2 markets. 

That's the way of the world now, and it was inevitable. 

Global markets are fine, what's not fine is global governing bodies like the EU and the UN ... 

If I live in a nation where's there's democracy I come to expect having national sovereignty ... 



double post. 



fatslob-:O said:
Soundwave said:

Capitalism inevitably creates global markets, you can't have it both ways, it's not the 20th century anymore, the world is global and connected and nothing is going to change that, I think people just need to get over that. 

If I'm running a business I don't give a fuck about national soverignty, I will make my product at the lowest cost where I can get it so I can maximize my profit and I want access to the global market, not just 1 or 2 markets. 

That's the way of the world now, and it was inevitable. 

Global markets are fine, what's not fine is global governing bodies like the EU and the UN ... 

If I live in a nation where's there's democracy I come to expect having national sovereignty ... 

The dollar rules all, that's the bottom line. If you have a global market, then you have an interconnected world, that's just how it's going to be. National soverignty in the context of how it is in the 18/19th/20th centuries really does not function in the same way anymore. The world is globally connected now and that genie is never going back into the lamp unless we lose all our technology. And that's only going to accelerate, this is the natural evolution of humanity, on a meta-scale eventually we'll leave this planet. 

Capitalism is the biggest driver of globalism in the world though there's no doubt it.