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Nuvendil said:

Well no, in the top left you have your max paint capacity.  Which directly effects your ability to fight and potentially progress. 

I truly hope that normal battles are somehow meaningful. I'd like to like this game.



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Nuvendil said:
RolStoppable said:

I am not watching the stream, but it could be numerous things that do not necessitate fighting normal battles.

1. The action command was performed flawlessly in the latter case, resulting in more damage.
2. You saw two different hammer attacks.
3. Your damage output increases after winning a boss battle, just like in Sticker Star. Still means that you can skip all other battles.

Well no, in the top left you have your max paint capacity.  Which directly effects your ability to fight and potentially progress. 

Yeah, but it only depends on you getting the Star, which means the best way is skipping battles, collecting cards in the overworld and just beating the boss, and the hammer will upgrade JUST with the boss battle. Just like SS. At least that's what I've got from the gameplay.

You know, I was thinking about something that could give a pass to the combat system and progression. If you can spend your coins in upgrading your attack, in a way that it's the only way of progressing through the game because you could be very under-powered... That could work. Coins would work as "experience". If not, why battling against normal enemies? It's just pointless. Not an optimal solution, I know. But I think it'll make the game better. Battles would not be pointless, they would be mandatory to get some coins to beat the game. 

And, really, I'm with Rol in this, I'd love to like this game. Maybe for different reasons. Because except from that, which for me is tremendously important... I'm convinced. It still has some issues (it seems like the plot is still barebones, and you don't have active partners), but it could do with that. I liked the humour and the coulourful and gorgeous levels tbh. I think it's an improvement over SS in that sense. Maybe in almost every way. But still not enough when the fundamental core of the game, its gameplay, is broken.



Nuvendil said:

Well is it even the combat "system" or just the progress structure?  Cause I think it's the latter.  The battle system looks fine with some interesting elements but the fact that (as far as we see) you don't level up your hammer or character through battles is the big issue here.  Basically, it's structured like an RPG in level design and battle system but lacks the RPG mechanics in terms of character progression.  So the Action Adventure and RPG elements are in conflict rather than harmony.

 

Ignoring that battling is pointless, the battle system itself is still not fine. It's basically a massively strippped down version of the classics with no partners, no special moves, no stylish moves, no badges, no superguarding, and far, far less action commands, to the point where 90% of the time it's just pressing A right before landing on the enemy. Battles get tiresome fast.



Einsam_Delphin said:
Nuvendil said:

Well is it even the combat "system" or just the progress structure?  Cause I think it's the latter.  The battle system looks fine with some interesting elements but the fact that (as far as we see) you don't level up your hammer or character through battles is the big issue here.  Basically, it's structured like an RPG in level design and battle system but lacks the RPG mechanics in terms of character progression.  So the Action Adventure and RPG elements are in conflict rather than harmony.

 

Ignoring that battling is pointless, the battle system itself is still not fine. It's basically a massively strippped down version of the classics with no partners, no special moves, no stylish moves, no badges, no superguarding, and far, far less action commands, to the point where 90% of the time it's just pressing A right before landing on the enemy. Battles get tiresome fast.

Non-Paper Mario veteran here, I can't miss what I never had as I said before :P

I was refering to the resource management aspect and the apparently good variety of attacks you can get.  What will interest me is how much the game tests you on that resource management aspect. 



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Nuvendil said:

Non-Paper Mario veteran here, I can't miss what I never had as I said before :P

I was refering to the resource management aspect and the apparently good variety of attacks you can get.  What will interest me is how much the game tests you on that resource management aspect. 

Yeah, I think that it's different, and I prefer the combat system of the first PM games, but paint management could be fun. It's a shame that progression is totally screwed up.



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Ok, wow, this is a lot more complex and interesting than it looked like Shrines were going to be! Makes me wonder: will there be shrines where you need multiple runes? Or shrines with different paths that facilitate different runes?



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Nuvendil said:
Ok, wow, this is a lot more complex and interesting than it looked like Shrines were going to be! Makes me wonder: will there be shrines where you need multiple runes? Or shrines with different paths that facilitate different runes?

They claim you can solve puzzle in multiple ways but it seems like you only need the shrine power in that given shrine to complete it. At least from the shrines we've seen so far. Maybe other shrines will be different though!



Rhythm Heaven is up next.  I know at least one guy at GameXplain is losing his mind :P