Zkuq said:
Qwark said:
So becoming a Middle Eastern country then. Because those wackjobs who blow themselves up don't want anything less. There is a way for lessening the stream of immigrants though. It's called making your country less attractive, cut the social system and demand integration instead of asking for it. In the Netherlands there are plenty of immigrants which still refuse to learn our language.
On school themes like the Holocaust and Evolution are mocked by those with a different religion. And let's not start about the rise of antisemitism in Europe, due to followers of a religion which name I shall not mention.
They might not be happy with us, but if that is the case make sure you remove those persons before they do harm. Not inviting controverse imams and outlawing salifism like what we did with Naziïsm might alsno not be a bad idea, in The Netherlands at least. The only way The Netherlands and the rest of Europe should accept immigrants and refugees is when they want to live in our countries by our rules. Moving to a European country without adapting or changing should be a luxury we can no longer afford.
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Have you ever wondered why those wackjobs are the way they are? There's a reason they turn that way, and that reason must be taken away.
I could be wrong, but I don't think immigrants are much of a problem in regards to terrorism. Also, I sort of doubt you can cut the social system enough without violating human rights in the process. And I agree, there needs to be a decent push for integration. Language should be top priority for everyone. I don't know how you have it in the Netherlands, but here in Finland learning the language is recognized as a top priority. I don't know about results though, but at least the priorities seem right.
Antisemitism and hating muslims. Tell me what the difference is.
It's not possible to remove all those harmful people. It's not even possible to find them all, let alone remove them. You can only try to prevent people from becoming radicalized, and try to educate people why violence is not the answer. But I don't think it's possible to target harmful individuals effectively. I do agree that we shouldn't let controversial imams and such enter, at least without supervision. Is Nazism even outlawed anywhere outside Germany? Either way, it shouldn't be. Ideologies shouldn't be outlawed, actions should be. Thought crimes aren't even real crimes. And yes, I agree that integration and learning the rules of the country should be a top priority.
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There is a strong relationship between muslims and antisemitism in my country. Besides for as far as I know muslims are not defenseless unlike Jews since no one seems to care about them. Mostly because Jews and Israel are considered the same. But if I remember correct in the summer of 2014 when Israel attacked Gaza again (not much of a supporter of that) Jewis people where attacked by mostly muslims.
Our police practically even tolerated it. So what the difference is, is that we actually care about Muslims.
Even speaches by demonstrations like Hamas Hamas all Jews must be gassed et cetera where tolerated. Try saying that about any other demographic group. Besides in Kopenhagen and Paris some jewish buildings where targeted and attacked.
If you show any logo of Hitler like the Hitler greet, The Nazi logo you can be arrested, for showing IS is flag not (yet). Some ideologies are not in line with our basic rights and practicing those ideologies could push someone over the line to become radical.
As of late a particular hate imam (as we call them) was invited in a mosque to teach younger kids 5-10 years old about the ways of a particular stream of Islam. According to his status it was not the peaceful one.
I would say try to ban these lines of toughts from Western countries as much as possible. Making them illegal might prove difficult but not encourage them should be easy enough. Besides spreading hate against Jews, muslims, Gays, women or whatever minority is forbidden, so those hate imams shouldn't even be allowed to teach.
Normal Imams are of course welcome to teach and are vital for integration, since they can teach muslims to even respect gay, Jews and if necessary even Western women.
But integration is probably the key on the other hand even muslims from our universities joined IS, while they where educated enough you would like yo think. So removing temptations and monitoring and if necessary intervene might always be necessary, for the National security in European countries.