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JRPGfan on 05 May 2016
malistix1985 said:
There are downsides to this. Mostly the fact that Nintendo in the past made cardridges and asked outrages prices to developers, which wouldn't be smart.

Also current gen consoles use Blue Ray Discs and all they really do is install the data, they don't play them from the discs so there would be no real performance gain from the cardridges, which is a problem

I meen if they make the cardridges faster than a 5400RPM harddisk, how would people be able to download the games from the store... I don't see this idea working out to well for third party support.

It could obviously work if the main focus is the handheld device

When has nintendo ever cared about 3rd party worries?

Nintendo just wants to sell nintendo software.

Its what sets them part from the other 2, they see themselves as a software company, not a hardware one.

 

The benefit would be you could play games without needing to install them, right off the cartridge.

No more install times = win.

You can ship your console, with a small cheap hardisk, reduceing the system costs.

Because most will be playing games from cartridges.



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AAA300 on 05 May 2016
AbbathTheGrim said:
Netyaroze said:

 Ok I understand, I thought I overlook some aspect.

So yes, this would make them very happy and we know Nintendo always puts third parties first, so this is very likely to happen.

Actually some third parties will love this if cartridges work in both a handheld and home console. Japan loves handhelds but the Western gamers love home consoles. Japan third parties will love it the most as a high selling game like monster Hunter can be sold on handheld in Japan then be used in a home console in the West for bigger marketing than just developing for a handheld alone.



malistix1985 on 05 May 2016
JRPGfan said:
malistix1985 said:
There are downsides to this. Mostly the fact that Nintendo in the past made cardridges and asked outrages prices to developers, which wouldn't be smart.

Also current gen consoles use Blue Ray Discs and all they really do is install the data, they don't play them from the discs so there would be no real performance gain from the cardridges, which is a problem

I meen if they make the cardridges faster than a 5400RPM harddisk, how would people be able to download the games from the store... I don't see this idea working out to well for third party support.

It could obviously work if the main focus is the handheld device

When has nintendo ever cared about 3rd party worries?

Nintendo just wants to sell nintendo software.

Its what sets them part from the other 2, they see themselves as a software company, not a hardware one.

Well if that is their decision moving forward I will not support them anymore, with pain in my hearth obviously. The only way they could make the idea work then is by having extremely strong second party support, but I doubt it.




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JRPGfan on 05 May 2016
malistix1985 said:
JRPGfan said:

Well if that is their decision moving forward I will not support them anymore, with pain in my hearth obviously. The only way they could make the idea work then is by having extremely strong second party support, but I doubt it.

The plan is to unify their handheld and home consoles, so they play the same games.

Look at the 3DS, it has all the games the Wii U lacks.

That is what the NX will fix.

By only haveing to do 1 game, that runs on both systems, nintendo can sell more nintendo software, to a bigger userbase,

without leaveing one console dealing with game droughts.



dongo8 on 05 May 2016
JRPGfan said:
malistix1985 said:

Well if that is their decision moving forward I will not support them anymore, with pain in my hearth obviously. The only way they could make the idea work then is by having extremely strong second party support, but I doubt it.

The plan is to unify their handheld and home consoles, so they play the same games.

Look at the 3DS, it has all the games the Wii U lacks.

That is what the NX will fix.

By only haveing to do 1 game, that runs on both systems, nintendo can sell more nintendo software, to a bigger userbase,

without leaveing one console dealing with game droughts.

^ this. Plus if this is the plan, it would be a huge HELP to third parties, NOT a detriment. They would be able to produce ONE game and it would print to ONE cartridge, and voila! Handheld players will buy it because it works with their handheld, console gamers will buy it because it works with their console. They could produce one cartridge for a much higher profit margin. There is no other system that can say that right now



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AAA300 on 05 May 2016
Ka-pi96 said:
So ROMs are cartridges? Yeah, I clicked on the thread just to find out what a ROM is

Anyways this might hamper 3rd party support, but it wouldn't really bother me what format the games are available in (as long as it's a physical format at least).

3ds uses cartridges and has way more 3rd party support than Wii u. So if the cartridges work for there handheld and home console then they will have more 3rd support on the home console. Japan 3rd parties should be the most happy as they support 3ds the most.



JRPGfan on 05 May 2016
Ka-pi96 said:
So ROMs are cartridges? Yeah, I clicked on the thread just to find out what a ROM is

Anyways this might hamper 3rd party support, but it wouldn't really bother me what format the games are available in (as long as it's a physical format at least).

I think it means "Read Only Memory".

Yes cartridges typically use ROM.

 

"Anyways this might hamper 3rd party support"

Why would it?

And nintendo doesnt care, they only care about selling their own software.



AAA300 on 05 May 2016
Ka-pi96 said:
dongo8 said:

^ this. Plus if this is the plan, it would be a huge HELP to third parties, NOT a detriment. They would be able to produce ONE game and it would print to ONE cartridge, and voila! Handheld players will buy it because it works with their handheld, console gamers will buy it because it works with their console. They could produce one cartridge for a much higher profit margin. There is no other system that can say that right now

This is probably an oversimplification and may not be correct but I'd assume the discs 3rd parties produce are the same for every platform and just require slighty different software installed on them to run on platform it's intended for. If that's true then it should be a relatively simple process to switch from producing discs for one platform to another. As long as the software is available (ie. port done) it may just be flipping a switch or something.

Even if it's not that simple they're still both discs so it's still going to be a pretty similar process. I don't imagine writing to cartridges would be much more difficult, but it's still something different. Something that 3rd party publishers don't do at the moment and they're going to have to adjust to it. Sure it may make it easier for Nintendo home console/handheld 3rd party publishers, but I imagine the majority of publishers that just do PS/Xbox/PC wouldn't be too keen on it. Especially not if the games don't sell well again like on the Wii U. If they aren't selling well then why bother going through the process of writing games to cartridges specially for Nintendo when everyone else uses discs.

Even if it was just to get Japan 3rd party on board its worth it! Because wii u has zero support  handhelds sell good in Japan and 3ds still has Japan 3rd parties on board.



AAA300 on 05 May 2016
JRPGfan said:
Ka-pi96 said:
So ROMs are cartridges? Yeah, I clicked on the thread just to find out what a ROM is

Anyways this might hamper 3rd party support, but it wouldn't really bother me what format the games are available in (as long as it's a physical format at least).

I think it means "Read Only Memory".

Yes cartridges typically use ROM.

 

"Anyways this might hamper 3rd party support"

Why would it?

And nintendo doesnt care, they only care about selling their own software.

Nintendo cares about 3rd party just like Sony and Microsoft because it's more profitable to do nothing and get a cut from a game you invested nothing in. Money is money at the end of the day and free money with little to no work is the best! :)



JRPGfan on 05 May 2016
AAA300 said:
JRPGfan said:

I think it means "Read Only Memory".

Yes cartridges typically use ROM.

 

"Anyways this might hamper 3rd party support"

Why would it?

And nintendo doesnt care, they only care about selling their own software.

Nintendo cares about 3rd party just like Sony and Microsoft because it's more profitable to do nothing and get a cut from a game you invested nothing in. Money is money at the end of the day and free money with little to no work is the best! :)

I think nintendo honestly sees 3rd party as competition for themselves.

Why sell 1 game from the competition, and get 10%? of the cut.

When you could sell them one of your own games, and get 100% of the profit.

Thats why I pointed out, nintendo sees themselves as a software company.

Sony and Microsoft, run their Xbox & playstation like they are hardware manufacturers

(they live off of 3rd party cuts & service fee's).

 

This doesnt mean Nintendo dont want 3rd party on their systems, just they dont bother jumping through hoops the way Sony might.