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CGI-Quality said:
Slimebeast said:

Good old friend, I don't quite get the last sentence and what you accuse me of. I do not troll Uncharted and I do not criticize it to rile up Sony fans.

I criticize it because it's the prime example of many things I think are wrong with modern gaming, and the higher reviews it gets, the more reason there is to bring the discussion up.

Sony fans aren't any more sensitive than any other people. These things must be able to be discussed in a civilized manner on a gaming forum I think.

Getting a lower than 9 score isn't really what people are bothered by. It's the obvious "troll-sense" from a review that grades a game with as low a score as 40%/100%. That should signify a fundamentally broken submission, not a title that has 88 others critically praising it. It's also the fact that that very same site gave it a 100. Which is it? 40% or 100%? That's where the problem(s) stem from.

The issue with your post it the idea that this 40% is a justified "reality-check" to many, many fans who feel the same way that every other reviewer feels. I get the criticism you're receiving. That's all, man.

Justified or not, I'm still hoping for a reality check or wake up call for those two points:

1. Opinions differ

2. Some games ride on their superb visuals and presentation, which tend to mask the quality of the story and other things.

My hope is simply that it got a few people thinking, even if just a little.



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One thing I don't understand is at the actual review, there is no score but on Metacritic there is.

It's listed on Opencritic, but there isn't a score given for it there.



Slimebeast said:
Kowan said:

It would be so if the review actually carried even a tiny bit of professionalism in it. It's a completely baffling and greatly questionable piece of writing. A "review" article meant not to criticize but to hate. There's a great different between the two.

Yeah, it's questionable, I agree with that. Not a good review. But it still had points that I was happy about,  namely the point that some games unofrtunately often ride on their superb visuals and presentation, which masks the quality of the story and other things. People are wowed by the visuals and perhaps don't evaluate the game as they would have had they not been wowed.

Visuals are important on a game. How else will you be able to navigate through a game or even play it without great design? That would have been a greater argument in his part if he criticized the design but no, he hated on the fact that the game looks realistic. It's like saying I can't focus in real life because the tree in front me has too many leaves. That door has to many edges, how will I ever find the knob?!  He is focusing too much on his hate on the franchise, eventually ignoring everything else.



BraLoD said:
TheGoldenBoy said:
One thing I don't understand is at the actual review, there is no score but on Metacritic there is.

It's listed on Opencritic, but there isn't a score given for it there.

Metacritic said on twitter Washington Post sends them their scores.
Maybe they don't send them for Opencritic.

Interesting, I never knew that.

Oh well, UC4 still is the highest rated game this generation on consoles.



Slimebeast said:
Kowan said:

It would be so if the review actually carried even a tiny bit of professionalism in it. It's a completely baffling and greatly questionable piece of writing. A "review" article meant not to criticize but to hate. There's a great different between the two.

Yeah, it's questionable, I agree with that. Not a good review. But it still had points that I was happy about,  namely the point that some games unofrtunately often ride on their superb visuals and presentation, which masks the quality of the story and other things. People are wowed by the visuals and perhaps don't evaluate the game as they would have had they not been wowed.

Youre just wrong, stop it, its becoming ridiculous, your arguments are just bad and there are many examples to prove you wrong if youd try to" think just à little bit " ( ryse, the order, crysis 2/3 ),even without thé amazing art/tech thé game is on thé top of thé top of narrative games, thé story telling and acting is great and goes beyond most AAA , even beyond TLOU in term of ambition.

The gameplay is also excellent , so much better than previous U, now very organic and natural, one of thé most thrilling gunfight expérience ever made, and the level design is just awfully good , they achieved to not only get crazy art visuals but also make an addictive level design with thèse visuals.



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Slimebeast said:
CGI-Quality said:

Getting a lower than 9 score isn't really what people are bothered by. It's the obvious "troll-sense" from a review that grades a game with as low a score as 40%/100%. That should signify a fundamentally broken submission, not a title that has 88 others critically praising it. It's also the fact that that very same site gave it a 100. Which is it? 40% or 100%? That's where the problem(s) stem from.

The issue with your post it the idea that this 40% is a justified "reality-check" to many, many fans who feel the same way that every other reviewer feels. I get the criticism you're receiving. That's all, man.

Justified or not, I'm still hoping for a reality check or wake up call for those two points:

1. Opinions differ

2. Some games ride on their superb visuals and presentation, which tend to mask the quality of the story and other things.

My hope is simply that it got a few people thinking, even if just a little.

In the case of Uncharted 4, the game has outstanding visuals, but it also has great gameplay, controls, story and storytelling, as well as compelling level design. Especially compared to the first three games. It may not be your cup of tea, but to say Uncharted 4 is all visuals and barely anything else is ignorant or as CGI implied, just plain trolling.

There are many bad offenders in the industry, but Naughty Dog certainly isn't one of them. They put a lot of care into making their games, and they don't rush them out like some others do, like EA and Ubisoft, for example. Now, you may not like this kind games that marry action type gameplay with a more cinematic approach, but to say these types of games are a problem because you prefer games from when you were a teenager comes off as you being narrow minded.

There's a place for all types of games. No need for a reality check for fans of any of those games.

And besides, the review that you use as an "open season" to bash the game is a satire. That you took it seriously and use it as bullets to fit your agenda is quite amusing.



Slimebeast said:
CGI-Quality said:

Getting a lower than 9 score isn't really what people are bothered by. It's the obvious "troll-sense" from a review that grades a game with as low a score as 40%/100%. That should signify a fundamentally broken submission, not a title that has 88 others critically praising it. It's also the fact that that very same site gave it a 100. Which is it? 40% or 100%? That's where the problem(s) stem from.

The issue with your post it the idea that this 40% is a justified "reality-check" to many, many fans who feel the same way that every other reviewer feels. I get the criticism you're receiving. That's all, man.

Justified or not, I'm still hoping for a reality check or wake up call for those two points:

1. Opinions differ

2. Some games ride on their superb visuals and presentation, which tend to mask the quality of the story and other things.

My hope is simply that it got a few people thinking, even if just a little.

There is and should be just one thought when you see a game getting critical acclaim by so many people and sites... and then another site reviews it as being worse than Sonic 06, there is just one reality of what that review stands for and what it hopes to do for their site, it isn't to get people thinking about how deep the world is and how other peoples opinions can be polar opposites to the worlds view btw.



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I think Jimquisition has it right at 8.5. For now when you first play U4 it feels anywhere from a 9 to a 10 (and I'll admit I'm enjoying it pretty well), but what about grading on quality of lasting appeal? I mean REAL lasting appeal. Even if a game is really good by itself, but copies a lot of what a lot of other games do, how can that be considered good lasting appeal? How will U4 feel 10 years from now? I think that's a question and criteria that needs to be put in all reviews. Reviewers do take into account lasting appeal or replay value, but they do an extremely poor job of it on the grand scale.

One of the most important qualities of replay value that is almost never taken into account in a review is how a game owns itself and separates itself from the rest. It's true that U4 is currently the most visually impressive game right now, but how long do you think that will last? The main gameplay, regardless of how smooth it is is still that same TPS cover shooter gameplay that so many other games have.

Why do people still enjoy Super Metroid, FF7, Super Mario World, Chrono Trigger, OoT and MGS1-3 today? I swear I just saw someone say they finally played through FF7 on youtube and they were extremely impressed. There are new players being introduced to these games today. It isn't nostalgia. It's because each of these games owned themselves and didn't try to appeal to anyone's taste or be like the other games. That's why they can be played again and again throughout the ages. They provide a very specific experience you can't get anywhere else and they do it very well.

*Reviews these days almost seem to punish the idea of separating yourself from the pack.*



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Guys, it's SO painfully obvious that the sole purpose of that 4/10 review was to bring the overall metascore down. And it worked.

The thing here is this....some people cannot stand the fact that Naughty Dog are indeed pretty much masters at what they do. They are perfecting their art and medium. After TLOU I thought there was no way ND could top it and here they are delivering another masterpiece of gaming art. I'd say it's pretty much on par with TLOU on a cinematic level but surpasses it on a whole - as a videogame!

I guess it was just getting TOO many painstakingly kick-ass reviews...yet again!!! So naturally, someone has to ruin the party so to speak. What does this all mean? Not much really. To me, it is still a 94. And TLOU is a 96 because it also had ONE very negative review. The question here is...why was there no hate on Uncharted 2? Why did it get a free pass??? U4 and TLOU do things better. Naturally, the score should reflect that.

Don't hate something because it's good and everyone loves it. That's just lame.



StreaK said:
Guys, it's SO painfully obvious that the sole purpose of that 4/10 review was to bring the overall metascore down. And it worked.

The thing here is this....some people cannot stand the fact that Naughty Dog are indeed pretty much masters at what they do. They are perfecting their art and medium. After TLOU I thought there was no way ND could top it and here they are delivering another masterpiece of gaming art. I'd say it's pretty much on par with TLOU on a cinematic level but surpasses it on a whole - as a videogame!

I guess it was just getting TOO many painstakingly kick-ass reviews...yet again!!! So naturally, someone has to ruin the party so to speak. What does this all mean? Not much really. To me, it is still a 94. And TLOU is a 96 because it also had ONE very negative review. The question here is...why was there no hate on Uncharted 2? Why did it get a free pass??? U4 and TLOU do things better. Naturally, the score should reflect that.

Don't hate something because it's good and everyone loves it. That's just lame.

That guy is a laughing-stock in the industry, he is the guy who reviewed Bloodborne by watching it on twitch and youtube. He has aspirations to be some type of intellectual writer but comes off quite the opposite. 

 

Would somebody set up a petition to remove that review? I'll sign straight away..... 

I was speaking with a member of the staff at washington post that also doesn't like the review earlier.