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Volterra_90 said:
farlaff said:

He HAD reasons to trust Bucky decades ago, not now. It is selfish to do what he does. And stupid.

Bucky saved Captain America at the end of The Winter Soldier. He definitely has reasons to think that his old friend is still there. Who can blame a guy who can save the only friend he's had? 

If I sound blunt, please forgive me, 'cause it is not what I want (pesky phone typing...). Anywho, if The Widow and Falcon are not to be seen as real friends after all the sh17 that went on in TWS, I don't know what could be called so.



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I liked the movie, though still sad that Wanda isn't better written or utilised. I was hyped for her entrance into this movie universe but 2 movies later and I still want a movie that uses her better
Btw complaining about Cap being op, really? Iron Man is the real OP one, as it's always been in these movies, becoming a bit of a joke really



Bristow9091 said:
!!!SPOILER AHEAD!!!

The whole airport fight could've been avoided if Team Ironman just destroyed the jet Captain America and Bucky were trying to get to... just sayin'

That's a quinjet.  Those things are fucking expensive.



Angelus said:
Volterra_90 said:

It's not just Bucky. SPOILERS if you haven't seen the movie :P It's the fact that he doesn't want to be controlled by governments to do whatever they want, whenever they want. It's pretty obvious why he doesn't trust any organism to oversee them. Remember SHIELD? It's because he wants to prevent those "super soldiers" to be awaken, and he can't trust this info to the others since it comes from Bucky. And they pretty much think he's insane and they want to lock him in, again. And, yeah, because he trust Bucky. That might be selfish, but he's the only link he has with his era, he's his childhood friend... I think that there are enough reasons to the conflict. I think it even makes more sense than in the comics XD. That storyline was pretty messy imo. 

There's a pretty big difference between a single government or organisation, and the fucking United Nations. If Cap is defying the singular interests of Shield, or the US government, the story works. But here he really has the audacity to think he, by himself, and every other superhero by themselves, has better judgement than the United Nations? 

I mean.......lol

And this just after Tony made Ultron, he still tells him in this movie that "the safest hands are our own"

 

Face it, Cap is an imbecile in this movie

First off, the UN isn't exactly a nimble organization.  They only convene every so often, and coordinating people from around 200 different nations is a very very slow process.  Of course you can appoint a small group to controlling the Avengers, but then you run into the same problems as having one organization in control.

In the United Nations, the permanent members of the security council can veto anything.  That means, if either France, England, the United States, Russia, or China disagree with any resolution, boom, it's dead.  So, if all members are in agreement but the US is like, "fuck that, Murica", then the resolution is dead.  So the UN's decision making is not quite the concesus opinion you're making it out to be.

Think about it, Loki's plan from the first Avengers took like, a day to put into action.  The Avengers were able to get there within minutes of the Chitari invasion.  If they took a half an hour more, that's game over man.

We also saw the UN making some pretty calls in this very movie.  Their incompetence allowed Zemo to reawaken the Winter Soldier in the first place. 

You can argue that Cap is wrong, but there is definitely merit in his decision.  Even well intended bureaucracy can be a negative... and that's in our world which doesn't have disguise mesh technology, sleeper agents, mind controlling gems, and superpowers.



I loved Deadpool, and appreciated that it could sort of work as a couples kind of movie. Is the Incredible Hulk ever going to have a movie these days?



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Bristow9091 said:
JWeinCom said:

That's a quinjet.  Those things are fucking expensive.

My point still stands, lol :P

It's how Iron man's team got there, they aren't going to destroy it, plus I don't think Ironman's team knew until it was too late.

Robtommy34 said:
I loved Deadpool, and appreciated that it could sort of work as a couples kind of movie. Is the Incredible Hulk ever going to have a movie these days?

On the latter, I don't think so. I think technically Marvel don't own the rights like everything else but mutants and Spider-man. I think in fact it is a Spider-man style deal. Universal owns the rights for solo films while Marvel cn put him in their films. It's a weird one.



Hmm, pie.

Bristow9091 said:
JWeinCom said:

That's a quinjet.  Those things are fucking expensive.

My point still stands, lol :P

I'm not saying the film was bad at all, in fact, I bloody LOVED it, thought it was amazing, and I'm hoping to see it again in the next couple of weeks... I was just pointing out that one of the main draws of the film, the airport fight, could easily have been avoided if the quinjet (Forgot what it was called, so thanks for that lol) was destroyed... 

Well, they didn't want to avoid a fight.   Iron Man had like a day and a half to capture Cap and his team.  So he needed them there, and he needed them to stay there.  If he blew up the plane, then that means they could just peace out, and then they'd have to try and catch them... which would be a more difficult fight.

And, quinjets are REALLY expensive.  Top of the line advanced technology.  We're probably talking upwards of a billion maybe several billions.  Also an important method of transportation when shit is going down far away.

Would've been a bad idea to blow it up.



Robtommy34 said:
I loved Deadpool, and appreciated that it could sort of work as a couples kind of movie. Is the Incredible Hulk ever going to have a movie these days?

Marvel doesn't have the rights to do that.  Universal agreed to allow the Hulk to be in MCU movies, but Universal still has the rights to solo Hulk films.  Marvel worked with them on Incredible Hulk, but the Disney buyout makes things a bit trickier. 



Movie was great. Idk why people talk about Cap being unreasonable. After what he has seen, why would he trust governments to control The Avengers? And especially when his team was all captured and imprisoned.

Fight scenes were awesome. Every single character in the film got their moment to shine. Quite an accomplishment.



LudicrousSpeed said:
Movie was great. Idk why people talk about Cap being unreasonable. After what he has seen, why would he trust governments to control The Avengers? And especially when his team was all captured and imprisoned.

Fight scenes were awesome. Every single character in the film got their moment to shine. Quite an accomplishment.

Moment to shine? What was that for Wanda and Vision, just to say the least? The former was kinda playing "healer" at the airport and the latter missed a stupidly easy shot and nothing else.