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JWeinCom on 07 May 2016
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Angelus said:
Volterra_90 said:

It's not just Bucky. SPOILERS if you haven't seen the movie :P It's the fact that he doesn't want to be controlled by governments to do whatever they want, whenever they want. It's pretty obvious why he doesn't trust any organism to oversee them. Remember SHIELD? It's because he wants to prevent those "super soldiers" to be awaken, and he can't trust this info to the others since it comes from Bucky. And they pretty much think he's insane and they want to lock him in, again. And, yeah, because he trust Bucky. That might be selfish, but he's the only link he has with his era, he's his childhood friend... I think that there are enough reasons to the conflict. I think it even makes more sense than in the comics XD. That storyline was pretty messy imo. 

There's a pretty big difference between a single government or organisation, and the fucking United Nations. If Cap is defying the singular interests of Shield, or the US government, the story works. But here he really has the audacity to think he, by himself, and every other superhero by themselves, has better judgement than the United Nations? 

I mean.......lol

And this just after Tony made Ultron, he still tells him in this movie that "the safest hands are our own"

 

Face it, Cap is an imbecile in this movie

First off, the UN isn't exactly a nimble organization.  They only convene every so often, and coordinating people from around 200 different nations is a very very slow process.  Of course you can appoint a small group to controlling the Avengers, but then you run into the same problems as having one organization in control.

In the United Nations, the permanent members of the security council can veto anything.  That means, if either France, England, the United States, Russia, or China disagree with any resolution, boom, it's dead.  So, if all members are in agreement but the US is like, "fuck that, Murica", then the resolution is dead.  So the UN's decision making is not quite the concesus opinion you're making it out to be.

Think about it, Loki's plan from the first Avengers took like, a day to put into action.  The Avengers were able to get there within minutes of the Chitari invasion.  If they took a half an hour more, that's game over man.

We also saw the UN making some pretty calls in this very movie.  Their incompetence allowed Zemo to reawaken the Winter Soldier in the first place. 

You can argue that Cap is wrong, but there is definitely merit in his decision.  Even well intended bureaucracy can be a negative... and that's in our world which doesn't have disguise mesh technology, sleeper agents, mind controlling gems, and superpowers.