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Normchacho on 26 April 2016
AlfredoTurkey said:
Teeqoz said:

Do trans people identify as trans? I thought they identified as male/female, just not their gender at birth...

Where does it end? What if someone identifies as being a fucking cat? Should they be able to demand a cat only bathroom? What if I indentify as being a vampire... should I demand a vampire only bathroom?

This whole "I can be whatever the hell I say I am and the world must bend to it" thing is gone too far. Sure, a person can "identify" as whatever, but that's where it should end. Forcing others into things they are uncomfrotable with is wrong in my opinion. 

I...what? How did you type that all out without realizing it doesn't make any sense? Where are trans people asking for special bathrooms? Who is asking you to bend to what they want? They're just bathrooms. What bathroom someone else uses has literally zero effect on you.

In fact, wouldn't it be more of a "bend to what they want" to have companies have to install a whole seperate bathroom for them?

Bold: If gay couples kissing in public made me uncomfortable, should they be banned from kissing in public? If it makes me uncomfortable to have black kids going to school with my kids, should they have seperate schools?



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Dulfite on 26 April 2016
Miguel_Zorro said:
Dulfite said:

That's parents. I'm concerned about my wife going into the bathroom and some 350 pound rapist goes in there after her. There comes a point when, regardless of your opinion or beliefs (or lack thereof), we have to weigh which rights are MORE important.

The rights for freedom (choosing bathrooms or abortion for your own convenience/desire, for example) or the rights of safety/life (my wife's safety from rapists or a babies right to life, for example).

We HAVE to prioritize otherwise we risk harm and death in the hope of achieving more comfort for a incredibly specific and small portion of the human population.

I'm pretty sure if a "350 pound rapist" wants to follow your wife into the bathroom, whether that bathroom is unisex or for women only isn't going to make a difference. Do you think somebody who is already willing to break the law by raping somebody is going to be like "oh, I can't go into that bathroom, I'm not allowed"?

That's not the point. The point is that if he goes in, no one will be like "hey, that looks suspicious, I'm calling security." Instead, they will turn a blind eye and allow that person to do what they want to do in the name of "human rights."



toot1231 on 26 April 2016

uhg this whole tumblr movement getting out of hand
my homophobia is starting to rise due to these freaks

 

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curl-6 on 26 April 2016
toot1231 said:
uhg this whole tumblr movement getting out of hand
my homophobia is starting to rise due to these freaks

I think the term you are serching for is "transphobia".

I mean, unless you're also inherently afraid of your average joe guy who happens to be attracted to other men.



toot1231 on 27 April 2016
curl-6 said:
toot1231 said:
uhg this whole tumblr movement getting out of hand
my homophobia is starting to rise due to these freaks

I think the term you are serching for is "transphobia".

I mean, unless you're also inherently afraid of your average joe guy who happens to be attracted to other men.

that might be what they are calling it nowadays idk. just this whole cringe movement of kids who think they dont have to abide by the rules of nature.

like the people in this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCZXhd40XoQ



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curl-6 on 27 April 2016
toot1231 said:
curl-6 said:

I think the term you are serching for is "transphobia".

I mean, unless you're also inherently afraid of your average joe guy who happens to be attracted to other men.

that might be what they are calling it nowadays idk. just this whole cringe movement of kids who think they dont have to abide by the rules of nature.

By virtue of using a computer and other electronic devices, wearing clothes, eating processed foods, using modern medicine, and not living in a cave, you're already not abiding by the rules of nature.



toot1231 on 27 April 2016
curl-6 said:
toot1231 said:

that might be what they are calling it nowadays idk. just this whole cringe movement of kids who think they dont have to abide by the rules of nature.

By virtue of using a computer and other electronic devices, wearing clothes, eating processed foods, using modern medicine, and not living in a cave, you're already not abiding by the rules of nature.

dont be that guy you know what i meant. look at the video and you can see the freaks i am talking about.  all of them are pre teens going through a fad just like emo was a fad when i was in high school even though everyone denied it. it is this is a huge fad that will die out and we are wasting our time catering to these circus animals

 

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curl-6 on 27 April 2016
toot1231 said:
curl-6 said:

By virtue of using a computer and other electronic devices, wearing clothes, eating processed foods, using modern medicine, and not living in a cave, you're already not abiding by the rules of nature.

dont be that guy you know what i meant. look at the video and you can see the freaks i am talking about.  all of them are pre teens going through a fad just like emo was a fad when i was in high school even though everyone denied it. it is this is a huge fad that will die out and we are wasting our time catering to these circus animals

You realize there are likely trans people on this forum, that you just called "circus animals", right?

And that Gender Dysphoria is a real disorder, classified by the American Psychiatric Association under the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders?



Puppyroach on 27 April 2016
AlfredoTurkey said:                             
 

Fixed.

I am not one to propose anything that takes rights away from anyone. This is why I am against this entire thing. As a parent, I feel my 10 year old girl shouldn't have to share a bathroom with a 35 year old man. "Trans-gender" is just a softer way of saying "make believe". I feel sorry for these people because they're obviously living a trapped life where they feel they're something they're not. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes and I totally sympothize with that. But the reality of it is, they AREN'T a different gender. They feel they are, but they're not. You're either born a man, or you're born a woman. No amount of cutting, clothes, lip stick or backwards baseball caps will change that. Why should their infliction stomp all over everyone else's freedoms and comforts? Do we allow people with bi-polar the freedom to cuss out their bosses when they're manic? How about cops? Can a bi-polar person punch a cop when they're feeling a mood shift? No? Then we shouldn't force little girls to share bathrooms with grown men just so these people can continue pretending to be something they're not. 

Whose rights to do society take away by not caring if transgendered people go into any restroom?

Your argument falls kind of flat when it comes to hermafrodites. People who are born with both biological genders put this issue at the forefront of what social gender compared to biological gender really is. There are also plenty of examples from other animals where males behave like females and vice versa. We all have elements of both genders in us, the rest is social constructs and biochemical processes.

And the example you give at the end of your argument is flawed, since a transgendered person does not affect another persons life physically in any way, while attacking a cop very much so is a physical act.



Teeqoz on 27 April 2016
AlfredoTurkey said:
Teeqoz said:

Do trans people identify as trans? I thought they identified as male/female, just not their gender at birth...

Where does it end? What if someone identifies as being a fucking cat? Should they be able to demand a cat only bathroom? What if I indentify as being a vampire... should I demand a vampire only bathroom?

For your sake I'm gonna ignore this part. But I'm starting to question if you are at all interested in a serious conversation.

This whole "I can be whatever the hell I say I am and the world must bend to it" thing is gone too far. Sure, a person can "identify" as whatever, but that's where it should end.

You're the one saying the world should bend to it (by having a 3rd bathroom for trans people). I said we should just let trans people use the bathroom they're comfortable with. I find it pretty ironic that you complain about "the world having to bend to it", when you're the one asking for the world to bend to it, instead of just letting trans people use the bathroom of the gender they identify with.

Forcing others into things they are uncomfrotable with is wrong in my opinion. 

Wow. Just wow. The hypocrisy is so strong here. You are literally saying we should force trans people into using a bathroom they aren't comfortable with using, while at the same time saying we shouldn't force people into things they are uncomfortable with!

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Now for the things you wrote that Puppyroach quoted above me.....

How the hell is this taking any rights away from anyone?