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Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:

This site is hardly an accurate cross section of the gaming community. We have a very high concentration of Nintendo fans here. And yet you can still find plenty of apathy towards the game.

At this point Nintendo have left it too late to build up a massive wave of hype. No matter how much they stuff into the 5 months from June to November, they'll still be limited in their ability to build momentum. If they try to put a year and half worth of material in 5 months, they'll just oversaturate their audience and people will be numb to it. Nintendo have allowed apathy and negativity to congeal for so long that some of it will stick no matter how positive things are from E3 onwards.

Pacing is key to a well orchestrated hype campaign, its too late to fix that now.

Of Course, some people don't care about Nintendo consoles or Zelda at all but that could be said for about any console or franchise.

I am pretty sure moment Nintendo release full trailer with name at E3 you will see huge hype about game, and it's not really hard to maintain that hype and momentum or even build bigger in 5 months before release of game.

Point is that you dont need 2 years to make hype and momentum, Fallout 4 was reviled and launched in just 5 months.

Fallout 4's hype train could've been handled better, and they never had to work against the weight of a year and a half of accumulated negativity and disenchantment like Zelda U will.

Zelda U can never attain a hype wave like UC4 now, it's too late for that, they missed their chance. 



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curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Of Course, some people don't care about Nintendo consoles or Zelda at all but that could be said for about any console or franchise.

I am pretty sure moment Nintendo release full trailer with name at E3 you will see huge hype about game, and it's not really hard to maintain that hype and momentum or even build bigger in 5 months before release of game.

Point is that you dont need 2 years to make hype and momentum, Fallout 4 was reviled and launched in just 5 months.

Fallout 4's hype train could've been handled better, and they never had to work against the weight of a year and a half of accumulated negativity and disenchantment like Zelda U will.

Zelda U can never attain a hype wave like UC4 now, it's too late for that, they missed their chance.

Negativity and Disenchantment!? What are you talking about, what negativity and disenchantment!? Only thing people complain is because they wanted more informations and videos, but that will go away moment Nintendo release Zelda U trailer at E3.

You really don't know that, definitely there will be huge hype for Zelda U also right before launch. And you can bet game will have huge marketing because it will most likely launch title for NX too.



Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:

Fallout 4's hype train could've been handled better, and they never had to work against the weight of a year and a half of accumulated negativity and disenchantment like Zelda U will.

Zelda U can never attain a hype wave like UC4 now, it's too late for that, they missed their chance.

Negativity and Disenchantment!? What are you talking about, what negativity and disenchantment!? Only thing people complain is because they wanted more informations and videos, but that will go away moment Nintendo release Zelda U trailer at E3.

You really don't know that, definitely there will be huge hype for Zelda U also right before launch.

The last year and a half have given people nothing to be excited about with Zelda U, but introduced plenty of negativity in the form of its delay, its radio silence and absence from E3, and an overall lack of coverage. Nintendo have sat back and let apathy and negativity accumulate, and some of that will inevitably stick. Once a negative association is established, it's not easily undone. Remember how Wii and Wii U's rep of having "no games" stuck even after they had tons? Bad impressions stick.

But more importantly, they have wasted a year and a half that could have been spent building excitement and positivity towards the game. They'll now only have 5 short months to gather momentum, and that can never achieve the kind of hype that a longer buildup can.



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curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Negativity and Disenchantment!? What are you talking about, what negativity and disenchantment!? Only thing people complain is because they wanted more informations and videos, but that will go away moment Nintendo release Zelda U trailer at E3.

You really don't know that, definitely there will be huge hype for Zelda U also right before launch.

The last year and a half have given people nothing to be excited about with Zelda U, but introduced plenty of negativity in the form of its delay, its radio silence and absence from E3, and an overall lack of coverage. Nintendo have sat back and let apathy and negativity accumulate, and some of that will inevitably stick. Once a negative association is established, it's not easily undone. Remember how Wii and Wii U's rep of having "no games" stuck even after they had tons? Bad impressions stick.

But more importantly, they have wasted a year and a half that could have been spent building excitement and positivity towards the game. They'll now only have 5 short months to gather momentum, and that can never achieve the kind of hype that a longer buildup can.

Again, "only thing people complain is because they wanted more informations and videos, but that will go away moment Nintendo release Zelda U trailer at E3." 
Do you really think after great and blown up full Zelda U trailer at E3, someone will say: "its ok but they didn't showed us Zelda year and half so I am not exatited"!? No, people after that will completely forget that we didn't see almost nothing year and half because after trailer and new infos that want be important any more.
You can't really compare console and game in that matter.

They didn't waste anything, IMO it's very clear they want to full revile Zelda U alongside with NX (at E3 most likely game will be running at NX) and promote it like huge NX launch game, and that's good business decision, they will take use most of Zelda U with NX, thats whole point.
Hype for any game is biggest right before launch, and games easily and very fast get hyped, especially great and huge IP that has great marketing.



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Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:

The last year and a half have given people nothing to be excited about with Zelda U, but introduced plenty of negativity in the form of its delay, its radio silence and absence from E3, and an overall lack of coverage. Nintendo have sat back and let apathy and negativity accumulate, and some of that will inevitably stick. Once a negative association is established, it's not easily undone. Remember how Wii and Wii U's rep of having "no games" stuck even after they had tons? Bad impressions stick.

But more importantly, they have wasted a year and a half that could have been spent building excitement and positivity towards the game. They'll now only have 5 short months to gather momentum, and that can never achieve the kind of hype that a longer buildup can.

Again, "only thing people complain is because they wanted more informations and videos, but that will go away moment Nintendo release Zelda U trailer at E3." 
Do you really think after great and blown up full Zelda U trailer at E3, someone will say: "its ok but they didn't showed us Zelda year and half"!? No, people after that will completely forget that we didn't see almost nothing year and half because after trailer and new infos that want be important any more.
You can't really compare console and game in that matter.

They didn't waste anything, IMO it's very clear they want to full revile Zelda U alongside with NX (at E3 most likely game will be running at NX) and promote it like huge NX launch game, and that's good business decision, they will take use most of Zelda U with NX, thats whole point.
Hype for any game is biggest right before launch, and games easily and very fast get hyped, especially for great and huge IP that has great marketing.

No amount of positive buzz from June to November is going to cancel out 18 months of wasted potential. They should have already had a full steam hype train going at this point, to which any further coverage would have added. Now they're virtually starting again from square one in terms of building excitement. A hype train like UC4's is carefully paced and steadily built up to reach maximum impact. 7 months out, they'd already masterfully coaxed their audience into a frenzy with a steady stream of substantial new material.  Zelda cannot achieve that same level of hype after a long slump and a mere 5 months of proper promotion.



curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Again, "only thing people complain is because they wanted more informations and videos, but that will go away moment Nintendo release Zelda U trailer at E3." 
Do you really think after great and blown up full Zelda U trailer at E3, someone will say: "its ok but they didn't showed us Zelda year and half"!? No, people after that will completely forget that we didn't see almost nothing year and half because after trailer and new infos that want be important any more.
You can't really compare console and game in that matter.

They didn't waste anything, IMO it's very clear they want to full revile Zelda U alongside with NX (at E3 most likely game will be running at NX) and promote it like huge NX launch game, and that's good business decision, they will take use most of Zelda U with NX, thats whole point.
Hype for any game is biggest right before launch, and games easily and very fast get hyped, especially for great and huge IP that has great marketing.

No amount of positive buzz from June to November is going to cancel out 18 months of wasted potential. They should have already had a full steam hype train going at this point, to which any further coverage would have added. Now they're virtually starting again from square one in terms of building excitement. A hype train like UC4's is carefully paced and steadily built up to reach maximum impact. 7 months out, they'd already masterfully coaxed their audience into a frenzy with a steady stream of substantial new material.  Zelda cannot achieve that same level of hype after a long slump and a mere 5 months of proper promotion.

Again, people were very exaited about Zelda U, just one full trailer and they will be again very exatied (hell people were become very exaited at moment just from that video with 9 seconds of Zelda U). Zelda U will definatly have huge hype before launch espacily beacuse it will be launch title in same time, and thats wats relly metter.



Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:

No amount of positive buzz from June to November is going to cancel out 18 months of wasted potential. They should have already had a full steam hype train going at this point, to which any further coverage would have added. Now they're virtually starting again from square one in terms of building excitement. A hype train like UC4's is carefully paced and steadily built up to reach maximum impact. 7 months out, they'd already masterfully coaxed their audience into a frenzy with a steady stream of substantial new material.  Zelda cannot achieve that same level of hype after a long slump and a mere 5 months of proper promotion.

Again, people were very exaited about Zelda U, just one full trailer and they will be again very exatied (hell people were become very exaited at moment just from that video with 9 seconds of Zelda U). Zelda U will definatly have huge hype before launch espacily beacuse it will be launch title in same time, and thats wats relly metter.

I never said it can't build some hype between now and launch, but sadly it'll never be as well hyped as it could have been, because for maximum impact they would have had to maintain the hype train from reveal to release, and they dropped the ball there. 



bigtakilla said:
zorg1000 said:

like i said, based on the logic of your previous post. Your reasoning was the game database on this site shows it when typing in OoT so based on that we should include all games that show up when typing in Destiny.

If you come to a conclusion based on a certain reason than your reasoning has to stay consistent. What im saying is, your game database example is flawed.

The OP is clearly talking about lifetime sales of Wii U & NX versions, the original platforms, so a remaster that releases in 2026 is irrelevant to the discussion.

The way the title is worded with wii u and nx in parenthesis it indicates a title place holder, not specific systems to look at.

And no, the OoT series in the database is the OoT series. It would be like saying The Last Of Us only sold around 5 mil, which it didn't.

Speaking of TLOU, VGC numbers are wrong for the PS3 version, Sony confirmed it was over 7 million on PS3 alone



curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Again, people were very exaited about Zelda U, just one full trailer and they will be again very exatied (hell people were become very exaited at moment just from that video with 9 seconds of Zelda U). Zelda U will definatly have huge hype before launch espacily beacuse it will be launch title in same time, and thats wats relly metter.

I never said it can't build some hype between now and launch, but sadly it'll never be as well hyped as it could have been, because for maximum impact they would have had to maintain the hype train from reveal to release, and they dropped the ball there. 

Maybe we could have some better hype before launch if there were no silence last year and half, but Zelda U hype in any case will be huge before launch, and IMO difference wouldn't be big especially if actually with NX revile and Zelda U running on NX they could make even bigger hype.