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zorg1000 said:
bigtakilla said:

OoT are the same game, are you seriously comparing that to seperate games to get a point across? 

*edit* OP also says lifetime. Remakes would then be included.

like i said, based on the logic of your previous post. Your reasoning was the game database on this site shows it when typing in OoT so based on that we should include all games that show up when typing in Destiny.

If you come to a conclusion based on a certain reason than your reasoning has to stay consistent. What im saying is, your game database example is flawed.

The OP is clearly talking about lifetime sales of Wii U & NX versions, the original platforms, so a remaster that releases in 2026 is irrelevant to the discussion.

The way the title is worded with wii u and nx in parenthesis it indicates a title place holder, not specific systems to look at.

And no, the OoT series in the database is the OoT series. It would be like saying The Last Of Us only sold around 5 mil, which it didn't.



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binary solo said:
I think 10 million is out of reach. For OoT (11 million cume) you have N64+3DS. If we say Wii U = N64 in the OoT scenario then Wii U is significantly weaker then N64 and likely would be fortunate to contribute half of what N64 contributed to OoT. So that puts a big burden on the shoulders of NX. If NX is a replacement for both Wii U and 3DS then you have the handheld market that can help oout. But it's anyone's guess as to whether the handheld market has reached its new, lower level, or whether it will weaken further due to phone/tablet gaming. If NX is basically a Wii U replacement with interoperability with handheld hardware then since there will be a significant cross over between Wii U users and NX users that means NX will be relying on a lot of people who played it on Wii U to buy it again for NX. That number wont be all that high.

I think 5million+ is a good and realistic ambition. Much more than that is bonus, and requires NX to go off like Wii/DS.

I think like the 3ds, price point will be an issue. I'm expecting if rumors are half true that this will cost around $400 and most of the handheld consumers will simply not be interested in pulling the trigger at that price point. Most people wouldn't touch the 3ds until it hit $200, and most still won't touch Vita even at $300 with better specs.



zorg1000 said:
curl-6 said:

As someone who has lived through the leadup to every 3D Zelda game, I can't remember there ever being less hype for one than there is for Zelda U right now. After nearly a year and a half of radio silence, it's not even on the radar for those who aren't hardcore Nintendo fans.

Most gamers simply don't care, they're too busy salivating for games like Uncharted 4 or Final Fantasy XV. Hell, even Horizon Zero Dawn seems to have more hype behind it, and that's a new IP. Let that sink in for a moment; a game from a completely unproven franchise is getting more hype than a series that's been running for 30 years and includes some of the most revered games in history. That speaks volume about how dreadful Nintendo's handling of Zelda U is.

We are presumably 7 months out from the release of a new main line Zelda. On this date a decade ago, we were 7 months out from the release of Twilight Princess, and the hype was through the roof. Now, the hype train for Zelda U has ground to a halt because it's run out of coal and the railway service is too stingy to resupply it, and its prospective passengers are giving up on it and taking the bus instead.

You are jumping to some wild conclusions there buddy.

@bold: Do you know what is different between Zelda U & Uncharted 4, Final Fantasy XV, Horizon? We know and have seen very little of Zelda while we know and have seen alot from the other games listed.

Its not a matter of people no longer being interested in Zelda, its just that people know next to nothing about it. Once Nintendo starts showing off and sharing details about the game, the hype will increase dramatically.

A big re-reveal at E3 followed up by a steady stream of continued details will get the game back into hype mode.

Totaly agree.

Actually any info or video Nintendo gave su about Zelda U made huge hype, even rumours (this last one) made huge hype, but of course when you have any info, video or screenshot for long time, hype will go down, but again very easy is going up with new video.



curl-6 said:
zorg1000 said:

You are jumping to some wild conclusions there buddy.

@bold: Do you know what is different between Zelda U & Uncharted 4, Final Fantasy XV, Horizon? We know and have seen very little of Zelda while we know and have seen alot from the other games listed.

Its not a matter of people no longer being interested in Zelda, its just that people know next to nothing about it. Once Nintendo starts showing off and sharing details about the game, the hype will increase dramatically.

A big re-reveal at E3 followed up by a steady stream of continued details will get the game back into hype mode.

That's the problem though; Nintendo's radio silence regarding the game is preventing it from gaining any positive momentum.

Waiting til this E3 to loosen their lips is too little too late, they should have been progressively building hype for over a year prior to its release, like Sony did with UC4. It's been nearly two years since Zelda's reveal, and for most of that time, they've given us nothing. Modern gamers don't have the patience for a year and half of being blue balled, they lose interest.

And that's what's happened with Zelda; showing us nothing new of significance in 16 months has deflated people's interest in the game. Even if they start hyping it up in earnest from E3 onwards, they simply won't be able to build the kind of momentum they would have had if they'd been steadily building since its reveal.

Look at the kind of momentum that UC4 had 7 months out from its release; that's where Zelda U should be at by now.

From E3 to launch in November is around 6 months, thats more than enuf time to make huge hype and positive momentum (Fallout 4 is revealed at E3 and launch in same year with huge hype). Nintendo will full revile Zelda U with real trailer at E3 and than they will continue making hype and positive momentum with new videos, screenshots, infos.

You acting like Zelda U will be launched in two monts at E3 and not most likely at end of November.



Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:

That's the problem though; Nintendo's radio silence regarding the game is preventing it from gaining any positive momentum.

Waiting til this E3 to loosen their lips is too little too late, they should have been progressively building hype for over a year prior to its release, like Sony did with UC4. It's been nearly two years since Zelda's reveal, and for most of that time, they've given us nothing. Modern gamers don't have the patience for a year and half of being blue balled, they lose interest.

And that's what's happened with Zelda; showing us nothing new of significance in 16 months has deflated people's interest in the game. Even if they start hyping it up in earnest from E3 onwards, they simply won't be able to build the kind of momentum they would have had if they'd been steadily building since its reveal.

Look at the kind of momentum that UC4 had 7 months out from its release; that's where Zelda U should be at by now.

From E3 to launch in November is around 6 months, thats more than enuf time to make huge hype and positive momentum (Fallout 4 is revealed at E3 and launch in same year with huge hype). Nintendo will full revile Zelda U with real trailer at E3 and than they will continue making hype and positive momentum with new videos, screenshots, infos.

You acting like Zelda U will be launched in two monts at E3 and not most likely at end of November.

You won't build as much momentum in 5 months as you could in a year and a half though.



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curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

From E3 to launch in November is around 6 months, thats more than enuf time to make huge hype and positive momentum (Fallout 4 is revealed at E3 and launch in same year with huge hype). Nintendo will full revile Zelda U with real trailer at E3 and than they will continue making hype and positive momentum with new videos, screenshots, infos.

You acting like Zelda U will be launched in two monts at E3 and not most likely at end of November.

You won't build as much momentum in 5 months as you could in a year and a half though.

Fact is that people already were very hyped about about Zelda U when was revealed at E3 2014, at this E3 that hype will be reactivated and make it much bigger than at E3 2014, and Nintendo will keep that hype and momentum till launch. Aso you don't need year and half to make momentum, Fallout 4 is proof of that.



Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:

You won't build as much momentum in 5 months as you could in a year and a half though.

Fact is that people already were very hyped about about Zelda U when was revealed at E3 2014, at this E3 that hype will be reactivated and make it much bigger than at E3 2014, and Nintendo will keep that hype and momentum till launch. Aso you don't need year and half to make momentum, Fallout 4 is proof of that.

Zelda currently has very little momentum. If they'd dropped major new trailers at last E3 and last December, revealing info about the narrative, showing areas other than the grasslands, etc, they could already have a barrelling steam train of hype right now that this E3 could then build on. Instead, this E3 is going to have to kickstart the hypetrain from its current stall.



Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:

That's the problem though; Nintendo's radio silence regarding the game is preventing it from gaining any positive momentum.

Waiting til this E3 to loosen their lips is too little too late, they should have been progressively building hype for over a year prior to its release, like Sony did with UC4. It's been nearly two years since Zelda's reveal, and for most of that time, they've given us nothing. Modern gamers don't have the patience for a year and half of being blue balled, they lose interest.

And that's what's happened with Zelda; showing us nothing new of significance in 16 months has deflated people's interest in the game. Even if they start hyping it up in earnest from E3 onwards, they simply won't be able to build the kind of momentum they would have had if they'd been steadily building since its reveal.

Look at the kind of momentum that UC4 had 7 months out from its release; that's where Zelda U should be at by now.

From E3 to launch in November is around 6 months, thats more than enuf time to make huge hype and positive momentum (Fallout 4 is revealed at E3 and launch in same year with huge hype). Nintendo will full revile Zelda U with real trailer at E3 and than they will continue making hype and positive momentum with new videos, screenshots, infos.

You acting like Zelda U will be launched in two monts at E3 and not most likely at end of November.

While I agree Fallout 4 was able to gain hype in ~6 months, you gotta admit Zelda has a much steeper mountain to climb. Fallout 4 was being offered to PS4 Xbone and PC owners, Zelda will be offered to Wii U owners and possibly be tasked with trying to give a new console hype.

Also, is there any comparison really to the hype Uncharted 4 has been able to obtain? No.



curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Fact is that people already were very hyped about about Zelda U when was revealed at E3 2014, at this E3 that hype will be reactivated and make it much bigger than at E3 2014, and Nintendo will keep that hype and momentum till launch. Aso you don't need year and half to make momentum, Fallout 4 is proof of that.

Zelda currently has very little momentum. If they'd dropped major new trailers at last E3 and last December, revealing info about the narrative, showing areas other than the grasslands, etc, they could already have a barrelling steam train of hype right now that this E3 could then build on. Instead, this E3 is going to have to kickstart the hypetrain from its current stall.

Agreed. With some hype being gained by the rumors, there are also major concern coming from others. Will a male/female Link essentially remove depth of story to any degree with LoZ stories not really having much depth to begin with? Will voice acting in a game without a lead protagonist being voiced hurt the game more than it will essentially help (some people find it very distracting)? 

Oh, and of course the inability to really get hyped over rumors...



curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Fact is that people already were very hyped about about Zelda U when was revealed at E3 2014, at this E3 that hype will be reactivated and make it much bigger than at E3 2014, and Nintendo will keep that hype and momentum till launch. Aso you don't need year and half to make momentum, Fallout 4 is proof of that.

Zelda currently has very little momentum. If they'd dropped major new trailers at last E3 and last December, revealing info about the narrative, showing areas other than the grasslands, etc, they could already have a barrelling steam train of hype right now that this E3 could then build on. Instead, this E3 is going to have to kickstart the hypetrain from its current stall.

Yes, but again "Fact is that people already were very hyped about about Zelda U when was revealed at E3 2014, at this E3 that hype will be reactivated and make it much bigger than at E3 2014, and Nintendo will keep that hype and momentum till launch. Aso you don't need year and half to make momentum, Fallout 4 is proof of that."

6 months of huge hype and momentum is more than enuf, you really don't need to 2 years to make momentum.