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What do you think of Stephen Curry?

Incredible 50 29.41%
 
Spectacular 25 14.71%
 
Unreal 27 15.88%
 
Overrated 16 9.41%
 
Small 1 0.59%
 
Hyped-up. 4 2.35%
 
Best in the World 21 12.35%
 
A Bad Shot taker 2 1.18%
 
Pretty Good 13 7.65%
 
Meh Give me (insert player here) 11 6.47%
 
Total:170

You see, here's the thing: When it comes to Stephen Curry, there is no such thing as a bad shot, a contested 30 ft 3 as like a contested free throw line jumpshot for him. And so what if it's his 7th year in the league, isn't that natural improvement as well, what's unusual about it? Last year, he was the MVP. The year before he was in his first All-Star game. The year before THAT, he broke the 3 point single season record (for the first time) and the Warriors finally made the playoffs their first year with him on the roster. He was an all-star calibur player throughout those first few years from 2012 to 2014. Then last year he elevated to superstar, and this year he elevated to Best Player in the World.

You think this kind of success just happens overnight? No, it doesn't,
Curry busted his ass off for years and years, working on his game, and his jumpshot, to get to the level he is at right now. And it's not like he's this 6'7"-6'9" athletic freak of nature that can fly through the air and dunk or shoot over the top of people like LeBron or Durant. Being 6'3" and 190 pounds, and can barely reach the rim, he doesn't have the athletic or physical advantage that those guys do, so he had to do it the hard way, which was work, work, and work on your game night in and night out, nonstop until you get to that level. Make no mistake about it, his game is 100% fundamentals. THE LITTLE FUNDAMENTAL
And he was ALWAYS doubted. "Oh, he's too small." "Oh, he's just a 3-point shooter." "Oh, he'll never be a superstar." "Oh, he's not an MVP type player." Time and time again he was looked over and shoved aside, even when he was coming out of high school, Davidson was the only college that really wanted him, all of the big schools passed on him. What did he do with Davidson? Took them to the Elite 8. He has continously proven the doubters and critics wrong over and over again, he is truly an underdog, which makes his rise to the top of the basketball mountain and the run he is having that much more amazing to watch and experience!
Not his fault he wasn't labeled as a "Chosen One" straight from the draft combine like LeBron or Durant were. I remember the weeks heading into that draft, and heading into it the fans, the media, and the reporters couldn't shut up about Blake Griffin.
Plus, he had to deal with nagging ankle injuries early on in his career which halted his development.
As for Wade and Dirk.
Wade was one of the 3 best players in the world alongside Kobe and LeBron from 2008-2011, top 10 player in the league from 2006-2013, and don't forget about how he single-handingly put the Heat on his back in 2006 and led them to the promise land. It's just that age and taking a back seat to LeBron in Miami for a long time have diminished his skills to wear he's not at that level anymore.
And Dirk has ALWAYS been that great of a player. He was the MVP in 2007 and the Mavericks went to the Finals the year before!!! And that title run in 2011 was the absolute peak of his career. During that brief run, he was the best player on the planet. Nobody could stop him.
Even now, at 37 years old he's averaging 18 points on 45-39-89 percentages. That wasn't a one time thing for Dirk in 2011, he's been doing that his entire career, the dude just cracked 29,000 points for crying out loud!!



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Not trying to take anything away from players like Michael, Larry, or Duncan.
But what Curry is doing right now... there are no words to truly describe it!
Curry can change the complexion of a game by just being on the floor!
Even if he's having an off-night, you can't sag off of him because he can go off at anytime, and because he's so deadly and lethal, it creates room for everyone else and puts his teammates in a position to be successful.
And he's doing this, WHILE his team is winning too!
Being on track to topping Michael's 96 Bulls, while being the favorites to win back-to-back titles, (so just like Timmy, Steph goes for plenty of wins as well to say the least.) and being the star in the center of it all, is some pretty incredible stuff.
And lets look at the context behind Steph's numbers. Most of the shots he takes are unassisted, they're shots that nobody else would even think of taking, or would label a bad shot. I mean a game winner from 32 feet away from the basket would normally be a Cinderella shot for anyone else, but for him, it's like shooting a free-throw! The context is that this guy can literally pull up as soon as he crosses half-court and opposing defenses are completely baffled as to what to do because their has never been anything like it before. And he doesn't need to come off a screen, a pick and roll, or catch and shoot, he can do it all by himself, because not only is his jumpshot deadly, but so is his ball-handling! You have to constantly be on your toes and on your guard against him, or else he's going to make you look bad.
I mean, his teammates get upset with him when he DOESN'T shoot the basketball because that's how deadly HE IS!!!
When you have to deal with a player like THAT. Really, the best defense you can play, is
a) put a hand up in his face
b) hope and pray to God he misses, or that he has an off-night.
And make no mistake about it, he's got the heart of an assassin, which makes guarding him during crunch time an absolute nightmare.
I felt so terrible for Thunder fans, as I watched that game. I could FEEL their hearts being torn out of their chests, and being stomped on like beer cans, while Steph just danced and laughed it off, adding insult to injury.
That's the biggest reason I've become such a fan of his, and why I think he's so incredible, is because, it isn't so much the stats, the fundamentals, or the shooting ability, it's the mentality. It's the same reason why Kobe will always be my favorite player, (I may or may not be a slightly biased Laker fan.)
At the end of the day, all he wants to do is win. And he is going to find a way and do whatever he has to do to beat you. He is not afraid of the crunch time and he will rise up to the challenge and answer the call!




No he's not.
As much as A.I. was not afraid to take it straight to the hole and absorb contact, Curry is not afraid to pull up from 35 and swish it right between the defender's eyes.
And naturally you're going to average 10 free throws a game when you're that small driving into the post where the giant trees await.
But let me ask you this:
If A.I. takes 20 free throws, and Steph takes 20. Who has the best chance at making all of them?
You don't think Steph could average 10 free throws a game if he wanted to? And I'd bet you money that if he did, he'd still be shooting above 90% as opposed to A.I.'s 80%.
He's just as deadly inside the paint as he is behind the arc, he is capable of drawing contact and converting And-One opportunities.
But he doesn't do that because that's not where he's deadliest. When he's behind the arc is where he's going to kill you, and he knows it.

And A.I. was never the game-changer that Curry is. That one year he led the Sixers to the Finals (also helps when you've got a guy who won Defensive Player of the Year, named Dikembe Mutumbo locking down the paint) , who did they have to play against in the East?
All of the best teams in the league at the time were out West, (Lakers, Kings, Spurs) During that year, seeds 1-7 in the West had over 50 wins each. The top 3 seeds in the East, (Sixers, Bucks, Heat) were the only teams above 50 wins.
Looking at the West's top 3 and the East's top 3. Could the Bucks or the Heat honestly top the Lakers or Spurs in a 7 game series? The West at that time was far superior to the East it wasn't even funny
A.I. and company had an easy road to the Finals, and what happened when they got their? They got lucky in Game 1, and then they got handled the next 4 games by a significantly superior Lakers team led by Shaq and Kobe.
Whereas look at the havoc that the Steph and the Warriors are recking upon the league, they're doing it while having 3 of their 4 biggest threats to repeat in the same conference, (Spurs, Clippers, Thunder). Funny thing is that in any other year, those 3 teams would be the absolute favorites, head and shoulders above the other teams to emerge from the Western Conference and fight for the NBA Title. The Warriors have faced those 3 teams 6 times this year, they're 6-0, and in 4 of those games Curry went off. He single handedly destroyed the Spurs' #1 rated defense back in January, and what he just did to the Thunder is something that the Thunder and their fans are going to have an extremely difficult time bouncing back from.

Curry is better than Iverson.... and I think Iverson knows it:
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25482437/iverson-is-in-awe-of-stephen-curry-says-warriors-guard-is-unreal

"That dude. That light-skinned dude. Ahhhh, man. I never seen anything like this in my life. I was a certified killer, but this dude has it all. He got the jumper, his handles is what it is... God, man. This dude right here is unreal."



PAOerfulone said:

No he's not.
As much as A.I. was not afraid to take it straight to the hole and absorb contact, Curry is not afraid to pull up from 35 and swish it right between the defender's eyes.
And naturally you're going to average 10 free throws a game when you're that small driving into the post where the giant trees await.
But let me ask you this:
If A.I. takes 20 free throws, and Steph takes 20. Who has the best chance at making all of them?
You don't think Steph could average 10 free throws a game if he wanted to? And I'd bet you money that if he did, he'd still be shooting above 90% as opposed to A.I.'s 80%.
He's just as deadly inside the paint as he is behind the arc, he is capable of drawing contact and converting And-One opportunities.
But he doesn't do that because that's not where he's deadliest. When he's behind the arc is where he's going to kill you, and he knows it.

And A.I. was never the game-changer that Curry is. That one year he led the Sixers to the Finals (also helps when you've got a guy who won Defensive Player of the Year, named Dikembe Mutumbo locking down the paint) , who did they have to play against in the East?
All of the best teams in the league at the time were out West, (Lakers, Kings, Spurs) During that year, seeds 1-7 in the West had over 50 wins each. The top 3 seeds in the East, (Sixers, Bucks, Heat) were the only teams above 50 wins.
Looking at the West's top 3 and the East's top 3. Could the Bucks or the Heat honestly top the Lakers or Spurs in a 7 game series? The West at that time was far superior to the East it wasn't even funny
A.I. and company had an easy road to the Finals, and what happened when they got their? They got lucky in Game 1, and then they got handled the next 4 games by a significantly superior Lakers team led by Shaq and Kobe.
Whereas look at the havoc that the Steph and the Warriors are recking upon the league, they're doing it while having 3 of their 4 biggest threats to repeat in the same conference, (Spurs, Clippers, Thunder). Funny thing is that in any other year, those 3 teams would be the absolute favorites, head and shoulders above the other teams to emerge from the Western Conference and fight for the NBA Title. The Warriors have faced those 3 teams 6 times this year, they're 6-0, and in 4 of those games Curry went off. He single handedly destroyed the Spurs' #1 rated defense back in January, and what he just did to the Thunder is something that the Thunder and their fans are going to have an extremely difficult time bouncing back from.

Curry is better than Iverson.... and I think Iverson knows it:
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25482437/iverson-is-in-awe-of-stephen-curry-says-warriors-guard-is-unreal

"That dude. That light-skinned dude. Ahhhh, man. I never seen anything like this in my life. I was a certified killer, but this dude has it all. He got the jumper, his handles is what it is... God, man. This dude right here is unreal."

You do realize that Curry has at least a three inch hight advantace on Iverson and this is basketball where talking about where height matters.  I say it again Iverson was the shortest player to ever win league MVP and most likely always will be shortest leauge MVP.  Curry so far has one great scoring season (season where he scored over 2000 points) its way to early to call him one of the greatest ever.  Plus I already said it earlier there are a lot of players that where greater scorers earlier in their career.  Her is somewhat incomplete list of players that first scored over 2000 points in a season before their 7th year in the league Karl Malone, Moses Malone, Larry Bird, Tim Duncan, LeBron James, Carmello Anthony, Oscar Robinson, Tiny Archibalt, Rick Barry, Bob Pettit, David Robinson, Dominique Wilkins, Hakeem Olajuwon, Dirk Nowitzki, Dale Elis, Dwyane Wade, Kobe Bryant,  Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Michael Jordan, Kevin Durant, James Harden, Jerry Stackhouse, Alex English, Jerry West, Wilt Chamberlain, Word B Free, David Thompson, Elgin Baylor.  A fair amount of the people I listed did it without the aid of the three pointer which wasn't introduced until the 1979-80 season.  Also Dan Issel and Julius Erving would have been on that list if they started their careers in the NBA instead of the ABA.



Soundwave said:
The thing with it is I don't know if this is the "real" Steph Curry, or if this is just a red-hot season where everything is going right for him.

We've seen good players elevate to incredible levels for bursts at a time (i.e.: Dwayne Wade and Dirk Nowitzki in Dallas' title run).

Previous to this season Curry didn't have a year over 25 ppg or ever shot over 50% in his career.

If it was his 2nd or 3rd season I'd say yeah, this is just natural improvement, but this is like his 7th year in the league which is unusual. If he's putting up the same numbers a year from now, I'll say its legit, but right now I'm a little skeptical.

To be honest, a lot of the shots he takes are bad shots, he just a knack for making them, but he's not that fundamental of player, I dunno.

This, its way too early to call Curry one of the all time greats.  So far he had one great season (this seson). 



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Curry is the best shooter the NBA has ever seen, period.



Chris Hu said:
Soundwave said:
The thing with it is I don't know if this is the "real" Steph Curry, or if this is just a red-hot season where everything is going right for him.

We've seen good players elevate to incredible levels for bursts at a time (i.e.: Dwayne Wade and Dirk Nowitzki in Dallas' title run).

Previous to this season Curry didn't have a year over 25 ppg or ever shot over 50% in his career.

If it was his 2nd or 3rd season I'd say yeah, this is just natural improvement, but this is like his 7th year in the league which is unusual. If he's putting up the same numbers a year from now, I'll say its legit, but right now I'm a little skeptical.

To be honest, a lot of the shots he takes are bad shots, he just a knack for making them, but he's not that fundamental of player, I dunno.

This, its way too early to call Curry one of the all time greats.  So far he had one great season (this seson). 

But what about last season? When he was named MVP and got a ring.



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Or the two seasons before when he broke the 3 point record for the first time and lead the Warriros to their first 50 win season for the first time in 20 years.



Chris Hu said:
PAOerfulone said:

No he's not.
As much as A.I. was not afraid to take it straight to the hole and absorb contact, Curry is not afraid to pull up from 35 and swish it right between the defender's eyes.
And naturally you're going to average 10 free throws a game when you're that small driving into the post where the giant trees await.
But let me ask you this:
If A.I. takes 20 free throws, and Steph takes 20. Who has the best chance at making all of them?
You don't think Steph could average 10 free throws a game if he wanted to? And I'd bet you money that if he did, he'd still be shooting above 90% as opposed to A.I.'s 80%.
He's just as deadly inside the paint as he is behind the arc, he is capable of drawing contact and converting And-One opportunities.
But he doesn't do that because that's not where he's deadliest. When he's behind the arc is where he's going to kill you, and he knows it.

And A.I. was never the game-changer that Curry is. That one year he led the Sixers to the Finals (also helps when you've got a guy who won Defensive Player of the Year, named Dikembe Mutumbo locking down the paint) , who did they have to play against in the East?
All of the best teams in the league at the time were out West, (Lakers, Kings, Spurs) During that year, seeds 1-7 in the West had over 50 wins each. The top 3 seeds in the East, (Sixers, Bucks, Heat) were the only teams above 50 wins.
Looking at the West's top 3 and the East's top 3. Could the Bucks or the Heat honestly top the Lakers or Spurs in a 7 game series? The West at that time was far superior to the East it wasn't even funny
A.I. and company had an easy road to the Finals, and what happened when they got their? They got lucky in Game 1, and then they got handled the next 4 games by a significantly superior Lakers team led by Shaq and Kobe.
Whereas look at the havoc that the Steph and the Warriors are recking upon the league, they're doing it while having 3 of their 4 biggest threats to repeat in the same conference, (Spurs, Clippers, Thunder). Funny thing is that in any other year, those 3 teams would be the absolute favorites, head and shoulders above the other teams to emerge from the Western Conference and fight for the NBA Title. The Warriors have faced those 3 teams 6 times this year, they're 6-0, and in 4 of those games Curry went off. He single handedly destroyed the Spurs' #1 rated defense back in January, and what he just did to the Thunder is something that the Thunder and their fans are going to have an extremely difficult time bouncing back from.

Curry is better than Iverson.... and I think Iverson knows it:
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25482437/iverson-is-in-awe-of-stephen-curry-says-warriors-guard-is-unreal

"That dude. That light-skinned dude. Ahhhh, man. I never seen anything like this in my life. I was a certified killer, but this dude has it all. He got the jumper, his handles is what it is... God, man. This dude right here is unreal."

You do realize that Curry has at least a three inch hight advantace on Iverson and this is basketball where talking about where height matters.  I say it again Iverson was the shortest player to ever win league MVP and most likely always will be shortest leauge MVP.  Curry so far has one great scoring season (season where he scored over 2000 points) its way to early to call him one of the greatest ever.  Plus I already said it earlier there are a lot of players that where greater scorers earlier in their career.  Her is somewhat incomplete list of players that first scored over 2000 points in a season before their 7th year in the league Karl Malone, Moses Malone, Larry Bird, Tim Duncan, LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, Oscar Robinson, Tiny Archibalt, Rick Barry, Bob Pettit, David Robinson, Dominique Wilkins, Hakeem Olajuwon, Dirk Nowitzki, Dale Elis, Dwyane Wade, Kobe Bryant,  Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Michael Jordan, Kevin Durant, James Harden, Jerry Stackhouse, Alex English, Jerry West, Wilt Chamberlain, Word B Free, David Thompson, Elgin Baylor.  A fair amount of the people I listed did it without the aid of the three pointer which wasn't introduced until the 1979-80 season.  Also Dan Issel and Julius Erving would have been on that list if they started their careers in the NBA instead of the ABA.

Aside from Michael, Larry, Wilt, and maybe Duncan, if I had to pick one of those guys to build a team around, I'd take Curry.
Just because Curry is the first player to actually take full advantage of the 3 point line since it was introduced, that's his fault?
I'm not taking anything away from those guys who came before him, but Curry is SPECIAL! He's the greatest shooter, ever. And did Curry not have a great scoring season last year when he broke his own 3 point record?!? While shooting 49-44-91 percentages. He may not have avaraged 30 or scored 2000, but his team won the championship didn't they and he won the MVP. And's he's winning it again this year, that's a forgone conclusion at this point.
But you and I can exchange all these stats back and forth but in the words of Bill Russell, the greatest winner ever and the ultimate champion:
"The only statistic that matters in basketball is the Final Score."
Basically, winning is what matters in the end, and Steph has won a considerable amount already (MVP, Championship) And it'd be a loser's bet to bet against him winning more.
And if you won't listen to what Allen Iverson himself is saying, then I don't know what else to tell you.



outlawauron said:
Chris Hu said:

This, its way too early to call Curry one of the all time greats.  So far he had one great season (this seson). 

But what about last season? When he was named MVP and got a ring.

Last year was a good season but not a great season.  The best player doesn't win the the MVP all the time if that would be the case then Jordan would have at least six instead of five.  James Harden should have been MVP since he really had the best season last year.