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curl-6 on 05 February 2016
Nuvendil said:
And the frame rate issues are definitely the engine. Wind Waker HD has the same problem when things get busy. It's a decade old engine, it was never intended to handle these draw distances and texture resolution. It being developed by a third party likely doesn't help but the fact is even the lauded, praised, nearly worshipped WWHD developed by Nintendo (which BTW had lower res textures and significantly lower polygon counts than this despite the lighting improvements) has some really heavy hits to frames in certain areas.

Yeah, both games seem to stumble in similar situations; namely when the screen fills up with alpha effects, like fog and explosions. Seems to be a weak point of the engine. I can't imagine that when they coded it back in the Gamecube days that they had 1080p rendering in mind. Changing the engine for the remasters would have been both costly and a pain the arse, so I guess it made practical sense to stick with the old code base, even if it wasn't perfectly suited to the task.

It's not always as easy as "plug the ROM into the new console and turn the dial up to 1080p". A 480p-targeted DX7 era engine from 2003 doesn't always scale well.

Hell, there are plenty of HD remasters that only go up to 720p. 



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Volterra_90 on 05 February 2016

Wow, if someone will pay me a buck each time I hear dolphin in the comments, I'll be rich xDDDD. Jesus, PC-master race is unbearable.



StuOhQ on 05 February 2016
Pavolink said:
"Every time you swing the sword, theres a bit of a drop" Uh uh...
At least they have the decency to make it 1080p.

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Miyamotoo on 06 February 2016
S.Peelman said:
demonfox13 said:
Lmao at anyone trying to defend the frame drop by calling it "artistic choice". Jake and Daxter Remaster on Vita was mediocre, but most other remaster are 1080p and 60fps. NO EXCUSE why a nearly 2 gen ago game struggles with a 30fps. Such a beautiful game deserved at least 60 fps locked.

The game drops a frame or two at every sword hit to signify your attack actually hit something. Every modern Zelda does that and the article even explains how this works. How is that not artisic choice?

And also; Good, because it doesn't need an excuse.

Actually in video they said it looks like frame drop, but actually isn't frame drop, its just artistic choice.



Miyamotoo on 06 February 2016
Kennel83 said:
Reading the comments section on youtube is so annoying. People saying this is a shit remaster that looks far worse than dolphin, and things like why should I buy this when I can play it for free on dolphin? It gets on my nerves. Don´t they realise that it´s some kind of piracy and therefore it´s illegal?
I´m the first one saying they could have done more to this remaster (also, some people still think this is a remake not a remaster) but calling it a cash grab and complaining about everything just for the sake of complaining is wrong. I don´t remember reading so much shit about The Last Of Us remastered, and that game came what? one year after the ps3 version? This game is almost ten years old ffs, I bet a lot of the complaints come from people who wasn´t going to buy the game anyway, so why complain in the first place?
I´ve had my doubts as well (the game still looks ugly, but that´s something about the artstyle not the graphics so...) but the game looks great and I´ll be there day one.

I think biggest problem with TP HD is that even is look much better than original game dont look good for today standards and people expecting that remasters look good, and that's because TP graphic aged terribly. While WW HD for instance looks beautiful even for today standards, but huge difference is that WW art style aged great.



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AlfredoTurkey on 06 February 2016
Kennel83 said:
Reading the comments section on youtube is so annoying. People saying this is a shit remaster that looks far worse than dolphin, and things like why should I buy this when I can play it for free on dolphin? It gets on my nerves. Don´t they realise that it´s some kind of piracy and therefore it´s illegal?
I´m the first one saying they could have done more to this remaster (also, some people still think this is a remake not a remaster) but calling it a cash grab and complaining about everything just for the sake of complaining is wrong. I don´t remember reading so much shit about The Last Of Us remastered, and that game came what? one year after the ps3 version? This game is almost ten years old ffs, I bet a lot of the complaints come from people who wasn´t going to buy the game anyway, so why complain in the first place?
I´ve had my doubts as well (the game still looks ugly, but that´s something about the artstyle not the graphics so...) but the game looks great and I´ll be there day one.

It's the same way with NES/SNES/Genesis games. Millennials apparently think anything older than current gen should be totally free of charge because they're old and thus, valueless. It's some of the most asinine thinking I have and will ever see.



Ruler on 06 February 2016

its not AA but the higher resolution improving the image quality



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Nogamez on 06 February 2016

Looks better and better everytime I see it. Gonna be interesting to finally boot this game up next month



Kennel83 on 06 February 2016
Miyamotoo said:
Kennel83 said:
Reading the comments section on youtube is so annoying. People saying this is a shit remaster that looks far worse than dolphin, and things like why should I buy this when I can play it for free on dolphin? It gets on my nerves. Don´t they realise that it´s some kind of piracy and therefore it´s illegal?
I´m the first one saying they could have done more to this remaster (also, some people still think this is a remake not a remaster) but calling it a cash grab and complaining about everything just for the sake of complaining is wrong. I don´t remember reading so much shit about The Last Of Us remastered, and that game came what? one year after the ps3 version? This game is almost ten years old ffs, I bet a lot of the complaints come from people who wasn´t going to buy the game anyway, so why complain in the first place?
I´ve had my doubts as well (the game still looks ugly, but that´s something about the artstyle not the graphics so...) but the game looks great and I´ll be there day one.

I think biggest problem with TP HD is that even is look much better than original game dont look good for today standards and people expecting that remasters look good, and that's because TP graphic aged terribly. While WW HD for instance looks beautiful even for today standards, but huge difference is that WW art style aged great.

Yes, I agree with you. Even if I think TPhd looks great I still find it ugly. Maybe that's why they tried to keep a balance between those artstyles for Zelda U, the "realistic" look from TP and the cartoony artstyle from WW. And they may have found the perfect match, as it will look incredible now and in some years as well as it will age better.

AlfredoTurkey said:
Kennel83 said:
Reading the comments section on youtube is so annoying. People saying this is a shit remaster that looks far worse than dolphin, and things like why should I buy this when I can play it for free on dolphin? It gets on my nerves. Don´t they realise that it´s some kind of piracy and therefore it´s illegal?
I´m the first one saying they could have done more to this remaster (also, some people still think this is a remake not a remaster) but calling it a cash grab and complaining about everything just for the sake of complaining is wrong. I don´t remember reading so much shit about The Last Of Us remastered, and that game came what? one year after the ps3 version? This game is almost ten years old ffs, I bet a lot of the complaints come from people who wasn´t going to buy the game anyway, so why complain in the first place?
I´ve had my doubts as well (the game still looks ugly, but that´s something about the artstyle not the graphics so...) but the game looks great and I´ll be there day one.

It's the same way with NES/SNES/Genesis games. Millennials apparently think anything older than current gen should be totally free of charge because they're old and thus, valueless. It's some of the most asinine thinking I have and will ever see.

I wouldn't say they are valueless, though they may be a bit overpriced for my taste. Or maybe I'm just poor and I need to start accepting it haha xD



SJReiter on 06 February 2016

This looks so freaking good. I was stunned when I saw what Ordon Village looks like now. Can't wait to pop this in next month.