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Farsala on 31 January 2016

I probably won't post again after this one.

I can hardly call this racism. Racism is targeting because of race. They seem to be targeting as a reaction to many events. EX: If we know white gangs in Chicago killed 50 people, and then a bunch of black gangs banded together to beat up all white people that are ganging up in their 'territory'. That would be called gang warfare not racism. It seems very close to racism, but its just a reaction.

Both forms are obviously bad, but I am a pacifist.



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Baryonyx on 31 January 2016
Slimebeast said:
Puppyroach said:
Slimebeast said:

"small percentage"? No, it's a large percentage of immigrants in Sweden that are prone to violence.

Wow, you seriously don't see that Swedish media hides and tries to whitewash (skönmåla) immigrant crime? The reason that Cologne got so big in media was because it was covered up by the Police in Germany and right-wing blogs had to dig up the truth until mainstream media picked it up.

And the assaults by immigrants at the festival in Stockholm last summer is documented to be covered up by DN, our biggest newspaper in Sweden. The only reason it was brought up now is because of all the attention to Cologne and the following discussion about Police cover-ups and censorship in many Western countries.

Yeah, nazi-racists have sentiment towards children. I didn't claim that in my post though, but sure, I actually think racists often have quite noble values towards family, children, nature and animals. Much much much more sentiment than some foreign cultures display, for sure.

The problem with nazi-racists I think is not only that they're prone to violence but mainly that they're totalitarian like you say, they want to control society and crush democracy. I'm totally against that, I hate totalitarian ideology.

Why are you lying about Cologne? "criminal groups"? That's an utter lie. It was text messages sent from one immigrant to the other, and thousands of immigrants just hopped on. In Sweden, in Finland and in Germany and many other countries. Criminal groups instigated the immigrants to sexually assault at that Stockholm festival too?

Wow, I'm getting angry now. You seriously don't draw any conlusions when you see these patterns where thousands of men from certain cultures are behaving in a certain way, that perhaps there's a difference in values? That we're talking about behaviour thats is far more more common and actually fairly representative for the average, than it's comparable to fringe phenomenons like European nazis.

Why do you try to whitewash them? Does your rosy world fall apart if the truth is that men from the Middle East largely have a chauvinistic view towards women and that many of them are egoistical and lack compassion?

 So the Nazi-rascists that you admit are prone to violence are caring and loving people when it comes to women and children? Ok...

I am not lying about anything. But I don´t assume anything about a whole group of people from different nations without facts. If we assume that one thousand refugees had commited these acts, the would still only account for parts of one thousand of all refugees.

I am not trying to whitewash any criminal. In my view, there is no difference between a right-wing radical from Sweden or one from Syria. What I am saying is that I never take what a few radicals are doing, and apply it to the rest of the population. The mistake we do throughout history is to generalize; about women as a whole, about men as a whole, about jews, about muslims, about black or asian or indian.

The foremost adversary against ISIS right now, is muslim nations. The rebels against Assad, are muslims. Most people seek freedom from oppression. Do I agree that the view n women in a lot of these countries is not good? Absolutely. Do I therefore think most people think rape or assault on women is ok? Absolutely not.

I imagine many of them are wife beaters, that's why I put "family" there instead of women. But I don't know enough.

Yes you kind of lied because you are ready to believe that the assaults were organized by criminal groups (speculation), but not willing to make an obvious conclusion: that many Middle eastern young men are prone to commit violence against women. Don't you really ask yourself how on earth is it possible to sway thousands of young men to behave like this all over Europe?

This is like talking to a stone. What is your problem? This is what makes me so mad about anti-racists. Always defend the immigrant, always criticize your own. Total disrespect for truth.

The point is that they aren't radicals. The chauvinist view on women is widespread and rooted in their culture, and therefore relatively little is needed for them to commit these kinds of heinous acts. An average Swedish male is much less prone to act like this, and you know it.

And about generalization. This is ridiculous. You're generalizing yourself! You assume that racists in general don't sympathize with women and children or else you wouldn't find it "absolutely amazing" to believe that racists have sentiment towards children. That's hypocricy.

Why do you bring up Assad and ISIS? That these guys are fleeing the horrors of Assad and ISIS makes it all just even more perverted, that they have the stomach to behave like this as soon as they reach a safe haven? To me it says that these guys never felt very oppressed or threatened at all, because someone who is fleeing from his life simply wouldn't show this supremacist behaviour.

I'm disgusted. This tolerance is for no good. Our country is filled with guys like you and forest-spirit who act as apologists for immigrants. Nobody will thank you, nobody gives a rats ass about your humanism and tolerance. All it does is that foreigners feel even more secure to behave like they want, that whatever bad they do there's always going to be a flock of people who's going to explain away their bad behaviour. And it makes our country worse.

Damn it I hate Sweden so much. "The humanitarian super power", where people imagine that they're holier than Jesus. We are the most insane people in the world, and thankfully this mass immigration has one positive the side effect: that soon this sick people will be extinct.

 

 

You are talking with people who treat Religion and *Enough Now* as something a person can be racist over, it's not worth your time. 
I am sick of talking with people who have forgot what racisme truly is, i am tired of talking with people who rather stand up for killers to protect the reputation of a culture which the killer just happens to be a part of, which is redundant to begin with.. Christian killers get arrested all the time, no racist card to be heard at all during that arrestment or trial. This entire thing is just big giant soup of bullshit and 90% of Europe and western civilizations are swallowing it like strawberry milk.  People love being humanitarian when it's free, why else do you think idiot's do it? They only try to portrait themselves as good, ignoring every single negative aspect of what they are doing, as long as the media deem their behavior good. It's a weird sickness of acceptannce.. They are a giant pack who shares only one thing, and that is? What is the most popular thing to do right now? That is what they will be doing. 

They don't care people are getting killed or raped, as long as no one is *racist*..  If i was attacked by a person who happen to be a muslim, he would never be considered a racist for attacking a white man.. but god forbid me defending myself.. OOooh i am such a racist... ( Religion and race are two separate things and got nothing in common ) Muslims are all White, black and in between colors and different races.. it wouldn't make sense to have a racist hate towards muslims when there are white-muslims as well.. It's hypocrecy, and it's hypocrecy to hate on people and call them racist for saying what the media refuses to share with the world.



 

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Danuch on 01 February 2016
Slimebeast said:
Danuch said:
Slimebeast said:

Of course I'm a Sweden Democrat. Yes, they were somewhat racist in the past, but first and foremost they were nationalist.

What do you mean by white-washing? Because I objected towards Puppyroach's claim that "racists" also are nasty against women and children?

The 22 year old woman that was killed by the Somalian refugee, she was a Lebanese Christian I think. What does that have to do with anything?

You say "But to out right blame every none ethnic Sweden for majority of the crimes is just a pure lie.". Now you are lying, man! I didn't say anything like that. What I am saying is, is that many of the refugees that come to Sweden belong to cultures that are chauvinistic towards women and that are much more prone to violence - meaning that less provokation, frustration, or whatever triggering factor is needed for them to resort to violence, than what is needed for a Swede to commit violence. The threshhold for violence is dangerously low, and that's a problem for society. Especially for a soceity and culture that is so sensitive and defenseless as the Swedish.

About deportations, I don't get the point. Could you explain what you mean?

I disagree with your analysis on integration. The main problem is with foreigners who won't integrate. Yes, Swedish social codes are weird and hard to learn, and it's hard to become friends with Swedes because we're playing theater, but there's so many factors that compensate for this. For example, most employers are willing to give a foreigner a chance even if it's apparent that he lacks the qualifications for a job. I see it all the time.

Swedes have the mentality that it's Sweden's fault that immigrants can't integrate. So much self blame. It's ridiculous and I'm sick and tired of this debate that has lasted for at least 30 years.

Yes, like you say. Shut the border, problem solved.

I agree that it's strange that USA doesn't do more. It's a huge country with a tough, strong culture, strong self-confidence about its position, and has a determined police force. USA has shown time and time again how excellent it is to take in and assimilate foreign people. Not sure what Americans think of this, but I think the USA has capacity to receive a large part of these refugees.

"Of course I'm a Sweden Democrat. Yes, they were somewhat racist in the past, but first and foremost they were nationalist."
Gottcha you! :)

About White-washing:
"Wow, you seriously don't see that Swedish media hides and tries to whitewash (skönmåla) immigrant crime?"
So your true purpose is to say that most crime (se below) are in fact being commited by immigrants and media is white-washing it. Your own word literally.

About immigrants and crime, your own word:
"small percentage"? No, it's a large percentage of immigrants in Sweden that are prone to violence.

Wow, you seriously don't see that Swedish media hides and tries to whitewash (skönmåla) immigrant crime?"

Now if the number is large how large is it? Is immigrants commiting more crimes then Sweds, if so how much? You said they where commiting violence and then later that most crimes is commited by immigrants. Its not like your infront of a court for beating a woman saying "I didnt know I couldnt use violence on X gender/race because I didnt know its a crime" See my point? Especially in this case since its a crime they have commited with violence or havent the immigrant commited a crime since they only used violence? So are you saying that the somali dude just acted out violence and killed the Lebanese woman was not a crime? Please clarify.

 

I disagree with your analysis on integration. The main problem is with foreigners who won't integrate. Yes, Swedish social codes are weird and hard to learn, and it's hard to become friends with Swedes because we're playing theater, but there's so many factors that compensate for this. For example, most employers are willing to give a foreigner a chance even if it's apparent that he lacks the qualifications for a job. I see it all the time.
Not really its quite the opposite Swedes dont want to live close to immigrants, hence the Swedish Democrats. And they dont want to hire them i hear this at work all the time, even after 6 months of internship (free work). Why do have so many dentist, enigneers etc working as cleaners, at pizzieras, taxi drivers? If you want to integrate people we need a system for it. But we, me and you Swedes are afraid of immigrants, but we can eat thier kebabs and pizzas. Se now the problem here is how do we integrate them and get them to work and get them to pay taxes instead of the opposite. If you been a Dentist Iraq let them "praktisera" as a dentist in Sweden and learn the rest (teory lessons) in school. I dont think being a dentist in Iraq is hard then being one in Sweden, acctually the opposite. Or are they just taking our jobs? What stopping us really? We need good engineers, let them praktisera. Give them a chance, we are allready paying for them. Två fluggor i en smäll!

 

About deportations, I don't get the point. Could you explain what you mean?

If thier are seeking or have an assylm and commite a crime send them back. 

The 22 year old woman that was killed by the Somalian refugee, she was a Lebanese Christian I think. What does that have to do with anything?
Alot! My point is even none sweds gets killed/robbed etc by immigrants not just Sweds, it is not rational thinking. You only telling half of the thruth. And you dont see a majority of Lebanese people wondering around beating Somalis? Since Lebanese/middle-eastern are immigrants they are prone to more violence!

I agree that it's strange that USA doesn't do more. It's a huge country with a tough, strong culture, strong self-confidence about its position, and has a determined police force. USA has shown time and time again how excellent it is to take in and assimilate foreign people. Not sure what Americans think of this, but I think the USA has capacity to receive a large part of these refugees.
Something we agree on, but you dont see my point. This is, believe it or not what America wants, to confuse everyone. Södertälje has taken more refugees from Iraq and Syria then hole America. Thats screwed up. As you mentioned America is better to assimilate then Sweden. Why? Because when you get an American citizenship you become American and they hire Dentist/doctors from Iraq.  I have customers (work in ICA) some of them are Syrian/Assyrian/Iraq refugees I speak to them alot. They all say the opposite of what the media want us to believe about Bashar Al-Saddad and Saddam (but they agree they where controlled regims) but they gave education, safety to everyone regardless of religion or ethnicty. Not what we see today with ISIS. None of this would have happen if Saddam would have been killed. Saddam was rotten, but America helped him take power, same thing with Irans leader, Egypt and Morrocos. See where iam going with this? Theese are all the areas with problem, wonder why. Its not about helping its about money. And they (capatalism) dont give a damm how many people has to die (1,5 million Iraqies has died since the invasion of Iraq). According to my customers (Syrian/Iraq) where safe countrie. But the people werent ready for democracy and they stilla arnt, just look at Iraq. I call it a climate/ideology war. But there where extremist groups (like the one we saw in Stockholm) a small group how ruined it for everyone and they saw thier chance when America invaded Iraq especially in Syrian. We have alot of Engineers, dentists, doctors etc from theese countries.    

I understand your reactions. Most people do react this way and its your human right to do so. But we cant let fear or fascist control a counrty. We have great resources (talking about our walefare system its bascially free) in this country. I meet a customer today he used to have his own dentist clinic i Syrian his been in Sweden for 3years not a single f*ck was given to help him to pursue a jobb as a dentist in Sweden. His applying everywhere no one is helping him. There should be a system!

lol, now you're condescending too. That's a part of the mass immigration arsenal too.

So you are this sophisticated, tolerant guys who has seen the truth, while the common Swedes react by instinct and fear? Laughable. The majority of Swedes are like you - explain away foreigner, criticize Swedes - and act as if they're morally above everyone else. I despise that.

Gonna try to reply to this segment although I don't quite understand you still:

About immigrants and crime, your own word:
"small percentage"? No, it's a large percentage of immigrants in Sweden that are prone to violence.

Wow, you seriously don't see that Swedish media hides and tries to whitewash (skönmåla) immigrant crime?"

Now if the number is large how large is it? Is immigrants commiting more crimes then Sweds, if so how much? You said they where commiting violence and then later that most crimes is commited by immigrants. Its not like your infront of a court for beating a woman saying "I didnt know I couldnt use violence on X gender/race because I didnt know its a crime" See my point? Especially in this case since its a crime they have commited with violence or havent the immigrant commited a crime since they only used violence? So are you saying that the somali dude just acted out violence and killed the Lebanese woman was not a crime? Please clarify.

 

Fact is that people in Sweden with immigrant background are 5-10 more likely to commit crime than ethnic Swedes, depending on the type of crime. Does that answer your question? Whitewash it all you want.

I don't understand what you're trying to say when you make a distinction between violence and crime. Violence is crime.

About the Somali man who killed the Lebanese woman aid worker. It was violent crime. That's not hard to understand. Some groups are prone to violence, and violence against other people usually counts as crime.

 


 The 22 year old woman that was killed by the Somalian refugee, she was a Lebanese Christian I think. What does that have to do with anything?
Alot! My point is even none sweds gets killed/robbed etc by immigrants not just Sweds, it is not rational thinking. You only telling half of the thruth. And you dont see a majority of Lebanese people wondering around beating Somalis? Since Lebanese/middle-eastern are immigrants they are prone to more violence!

 

Of course non-swedes too are victims of this violence. I didn't imply anything else. I not even once implied that violence and crime committed by people of immigrant background would be racist or targeted only against Swedes. Where the hell did you get this from?



Why do have so many dentist, enigneers etc working as cleaners, at pizzieras, taxi drivers? If you want to integrate people we need a system for it. But we, me and you Swedes are afraid of immigrants, but we can eat thier kebabs and pizzas. Se now the problem here is how do we integrate them and get them to work and get them to pay taxes instead of the opposite. If you been a Dentist Iraq let them "praktisera" as a dentist in Sweden and learn the rest (teory lessons) in school. I dont think being a dentist in Iraq is hard then being one in Sweden, acctually the opposite. Or are they just taking our jobs? What stopping us really? We need good engineers, let them praktisera. Give them a chance, we are allready paying for them. Två fluggor i en smäll

 

Sorry, but this is naive. These questions were asked in the mid 80's already. I'm gonna adress them:

* that there are so many highly educated among taxi drivers is a myth
* those who are educated and driving taxis and making pizzas, usually have an education that is incompatible with the Swedish labor market. Engineer and economist from the third world, it's very hard to make those useful here. It's different with doctors, it only takes a couple of years to make a third word doctor be able to work in Sweden, and thus we see many many foreign doctors in Sweden. Stop blaming Swedes when the problem is complicated.
* fact is that the vast majority of immigrants don't even have a university eductation.

 


I have customers (work in ICA) some of them are Syrian/Assyrian/Iraq refugees I speak to them alot. They all say the opposite of what the media want us to believe about Bashar Al-Saddad and Saddam (but they agree they where controlled regims) but they gave education, safety to everyone regardless of religion or ethnicty. Not what we see today with ISIS. None of this would have happen if Saddam would have been killed. Saddam was rotten, but America helped him take power, same thing with Irans leader, Egypt and Morrocos. See where iam going with this? Theese are all the areas with problem, wonder why. Its not about helping its about money. And they (capatalism) dont give a damm how many people has to die (1,5 million Iraqies has died since the invasion of Iraq). According to my customers (Syrian/Iraq) where safe countrie. But the people werent ready for democracy and they stilla arnt, just look at Iraq. I call it a climate/ideology war.  

 

Yes, perhaps it was a mistake to kill Saddam but that doesn't explain Syria and Assad or Somalia, Erithrea, Afghanistan etc. Don't blame everything on the west only because an immigrant told you so.

I have had tons of immigrant friends through the years and a common factor they shared was that they all blame everyone else for their problems.
(varför är svennar alltid så stolta för att de känner invandrare? Patetiskt) 

 

"lol, now you're condescending too. "
By state, now  you're condescending too, your impling yourself as condescending.

"That's a part of the mass immigration arsenal too.So you are this sophisticated, tolerant guys who has seen the truth, while the common Swedes react by instinct and fear? Laughable. The majority of Swedes are like you - explain away foreigner, criticize Swedes - and act as if they're morally above everyone else. I despise that.Gonna try to reply to this segment although I don't quite understand you still:"

I dont get you either, iam against mass immigrantion, maybe you forgot that? But then again you take to personal attacts and no one is forcing you to reply, if you dont want to then dont. If you think iam sophisticated and tolerant who sees the thruth, then bow to me peseant! ;) ironisk!

"About immigrants and crime, your own word:
"small percentage"? No, it's a large percentage of immigrants in Sweden that are prone to violence.
Wow, you seriously don't see that Swedish media hides and tries to whitewash (skönmåla) immigrant crime?"Now if the number is large how large is it? Is immigrants commiting more crimes then Sweds, if so how much? You said they where commiting violence and then later that most crimes is commited by immigrants. Its not like your infront of a court for beating a woman saying "I didnt know I couldnt use violence on X gender/race because I didnt know its a crime" See my point? Especially in this case since its a crime they have commited with violence or havent the immigrant commited a crime since they only used violence? So are you saying that the somali dude just acted out violence and killed the Lebanese woman was not a crime? Please clarify.
Fact is that people in Sweden with immigrant background are 5-10 more likely to commit crime than ethnic Swedes, depending on the type of crime. Does that answer your question? Whitewash it all you want. I don't understand what you're trying to say when you make a distinction between violence and crime. Violence is crime.About the Somali man who killed the Lebanese woman aid worker. It was violent crime. That's not hard to understand. Some groups are prone to violence, and violence against other people usually counts as crime."
 

You still dont get it.....
You imlpied in a earlier reply that l lied about you saying that immigrants commited the majority of the crime. Which you have answered now, thanks! Or are you impling the opposite? 

Sorry, but this is naive. These questions were asked in the mid 80's already. I'm gonna adress them:
* that there are so many highly educated among taxi drivers is a myth
* those who are educated and driving taxis and making pizzas, usually have an education that is incompatible with the Swedish labor market. Engineer and economist from the third world, it's very hard to make those useful here. It's different with doctors, it only takes a couple of years to make a third word doctor be able to work in Sweden, and thus we see many many foreign doctors in Sweden. Stop blaming Swedes when the problem is complicated.
* fact is that the vast majority of immigrants don't even have a university eductation.

You do know that all Taxi drivers arent engineers, dentists etc? It was an example not reality that we have people that indeed are engineers/doctor etc. You admit yourself. Those how are should be complement thier foreign education which I stated and you seem to agree. Iam totally with you on that one. Thier education arent up to par, but I rather see them educate themself in thier right field then being on wellfare for 8-10 years (thinks thats how long it takes integrate). Frist we have solve the problem we have now, integration and at the same time close the borders.

 Yes, perhaps it was a mistake to kill Saddam but that doesn't explain Syria and Assad or Somalia, Erithrea, Afghanistan etc. Don't blame everything on the west only because an immigrant told you so.I have had tons of immigrant friends through the years and a common factor they shared was that they all blame everyone else for their problems. (varför är svennar alltid så stolta för att de känner invandrare? Patetiskt) 

Now your taking things out of context. I said the US and its allies, not the hole of West. This is a fact check it up. Your trying paint me as an anti west dude which iam not. Once again your twisting and turning my words. Ever since the US got out of Iraq and Afghanistan terrorism has grew in the region and spread to neighboring countries. Its a fact google it. And a resulted in ISIS growing stronger, that is a fact. ISIS wasnt big when the US was.

Now your impling that theese arent my own thought and that an immigrant made me think like this. All above is facts google it.
"Don't blame everything on the west only because an immigrant told you so"
Do you like immigrants/foreigners or not, simple yes or no would do? Your contradicting yourself by saying you had immigrant friends through the years and that the swedes that have/know/knew immigrants/foreign friends are pathetic, but your acctually impling to yourself at the same time in past sentence. Meaning your where pathetic. And now your not, hence voting for the SD. But your also impling the following, everybody that thinks diffrent then you are pathetic and people that know/knew/had immigrants/foregner friends are pathetic.

(varför är svennar alltid så stolta för att de känner invandrare? Patetiskt) 
Translation into English
(why are swedes so proud to know immigrants? Pathetic)

Of course non-swedes too are victims of this violence. I didn't imply anything else. I not even once implied that violence and crime committed by people of immigrant background would be racist or targeted only against Swedes. Where the hell did you get this from?

Simple reminder that all that victims of crime in Sweden arent Swedish and most that are victims, gotta tell the thruth. Thanks for doing so. And by the way what about Sweds commiting crimes why do they do commite crime? Please share.



Danuch on 01 February 2016
the_dark_lewd said:
Puppyroach said:

Are you serious? A group of rascists attack kids and you still blame the refugees?

OT: This just shows that all countries, regardless of culture, have sick elements that want to oppress women, kids. There's no difference at all between these racists and the people that assaulted women in Köln; they are extremists in society that needs to be dealt with, harshly.

It's wrong to blame the refugees. It's the way Europe has handled immigration that's to blame.

But your last comment is just a disastrous false equivalency. All societies don't just have this in equal amounts. This is a rarity in western countries and most people hate it. People oppressing women is the cultural norm in many islamic countries.

Agree to some degree about muslim countries but its not....wait for it....Islams fault. In the west the church has no influence in the legal system hence the Islam oppressing woman.

OT: Have a few Christian immigrants friends and they have a total diffrent view, kinda strange since there from the middle-east.





binary solo on 01 February 2016
RolStoppable said:
Ka-pi96 said:
They targeted children? The fuck is wrong with them?

I can kinda understand their hate for the refugess considering all that's happened, but children?

Regardless of what their intentions were, they pretty much proved that the worst kind of people already lives in the countries that let refugees in.

Exactly.

And what's to understand about hating refugees? They're refugees from oppression / persecution in their home country and all they want is to find a place to live without fear. We *should* have sympathy and empathy for them. I hate the sort of world that creates millions of refugees but how can you hate the people who feel left with no choice but to abandon their home country because of tyrannical rule and economic misery? If a country has a good refugee settlement programme refugees typically have low crime rates and the children have high engagement in education. If a country doesn't have a good refugee settlement programme then there can be problems, but is that the refugees' fault? 





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Soundwave on 01 February 2016
Farsala said:
I probably won't post again after this one.

I can hardly call this racism. Racism is targeting because of race. They seem to be targeting as a reaction to many events. EX: If we know white gangs in Chicago killed 50 people, and then a bunch of black gangs banded together to beat up all white people that are ganging up in their 'territory'. That would be called gang warfare not racism. It seems very close to racism, but its just a reaction.

Both forms are obviously bad, but I am a pacifist.

lol, sure the Nazis had "reasons" for rounding up Jews too. It wasn't racist though, just a "reaction" to events. Of course. 

If you're running around beating people up based on their skin color ... here's a newflash ... you might be a piece of shit racist. Mindblowing I know. 



Slimebeast on 01 February 2016
Danuch said:
Slimebeast said:

lol, now you're condescending too. That's a part of the mass immigration arsenal too.

So you are this sophisticated, tolerant guys who has seen the truth, while the common Swedes react by instinct and fear? Laughable. The majority of Swedes are like you - explain away foreigner, criticize Swedes - and act as if they're morally above everyone else. I despise that.

Gonna try to reply to this segment although I don't quite understand you still:

About immigrants and crime, your own word:
"small percentage"? No, it's a large percentage of immigrants in Sweden that are prone to violence.

Wow, you seriously don't see that Swedish media hides and tries to whitewash (skönmåla) immigrant crime?"

Now if the number is large how large is it? Is immigrants commiting more crimes then Sweds, if so how much? You said they where commiting violence and then later that most crimes is commited by immigrants. Its not like your infront of a court for beating a woman saying "I didnt know I couldnt use violence on X gender/race because I didnt know its a crime" See my point? Especially in this case since its a crime they have commited with violence or havent the immigrant commited a crime since they only used violence? So are you saying that the somali dude just acted out violence and killed the Lebanese woman was not a crime? Please clarify.

 

Fact is that people in Sweden with immigrant background are 5-10 more likely to commit crime than ethnic Swedes, depending on the type of crime. Does that answer your question? Whitewash it all you want.

I don't understand what you're trying to say when you make a distinction between violence and crime. Violence is crime.

About the Somali man who killed the Lebanese woman aid worker. It was violent crime. That's not hard to understand. Some groups are prone to violence, and violence against other people usually counts as crime.

 


 The 22 year old woman that was killed by the Somalian refugee, she was a Lebanese Christian I think. What does that have to do with anything?
Alot! My point is even none sweds gets killed/robbed etc by immigrants not just Sweds, it is not rational thinking. You only telling half of the thruth. And you dont see a majority of Lebanese people wondering around beating Somalis? Since Lebanese/middle-eastern are immigrants they are prone to more violence!

 

Of course non-swedes too are victims of this violence. I didn't imply anything else. I not even once implied that violence and crime committed by people of immigrant background would be racist or targeted only against Swedes. Where the hell did you get this from?



Why do have so many dentist, enigneers etc working as cleaners, at pizzieras, taxi drivers? If you want to integrate people we need a system for it. But we, me and you Swedes are afraid of immigrants, but we can eat thier kebabs and pizzas. Se now the problem here is how do we integrate them and get them to work and get them to pay taxes instead of the opposite. If you been a Dentist Iraq let them "praktisera" as a dentist in Sweden and learn the rest (teory lessons) in school. I dont think being a dentist in Iraq is hard then being one in Sweden, acctually the opposite. Or are they just taking our jobs? What stopping us really? We need good engineers, let them praktisera. Give them a chance, we are allready paying for them. Två fluggor i en smäll

 

Sorry, but this is naive. These questions were asked in the mid 80's already. I'm gonna adress them:

* that there are so many highly educated among taxi drivers is a myth
* those who are educated and driving taxis and making pizzas, usually have an education that is incompatible with the Swedish labor market. Engineer and economist from the third world, it's very hard to make those useful here. It's different with doctors, it only takes a couple of years to make a third word doctor be able to work in Sweden, and thus we see many many foreign doctors in Sweden. Stop blaming Swedes when the problem is complicated.
* fact is that the vast majority of immigrants don't even have a university eductation.

 


I have customers (work in ICA) some of them are Syrian/Assyrian/Iraq refugees I speak to them alot. They all say the opposite of what the media want us to believe about Bashar Al-Saddad and Saddam (but they agree they where controlled regims) but they gave education, safety to everyone regardless of religion or ethnicty. Not what we see today with ISIS. None of this would have happen if Saddam would have been killed. Saddam was rotten, but America helped him take power, same thing with Irans leader, Egypt and Morrocos. See where iam going with this? Theese are all the areas with problem, wonder why. Its not about helping its about money. And they (capatalism) dont give a damm how many people has to die (1,5 million Iraqies has died since the invasion of Iraq). According to my customers (Syrian/Iraq) where safe countrie. But the people werent ready for democracy and they stilla arnt, just look at Iraq. I call it a climate/ideology war.  

 

Yes, perhaps it was a mistake to kill Saddam but that doesn't explain Syria and Assad or Somalia, Erithrea, Afghanistan etc. Don't blame everything on the west only because an immigrant told you so.

I have had tons of immigrant friends through the years and a common factor they shared was that they all blame everyone else for their problems.
(varför är svennar alltid så stolta för att de känner invandrare? Patetiskt) 

 

"lol, now you're condescending too. "
By state, now  you're condescending too, your impling yourself as condescending.

"That's a part of the mass immigration arsenal too.So you are this sophisticated, tolerant guys who has seen the truth, while the common Swedes react by instinct and fear? Laughable. The majority of Swedes are like you - explain away foreigner, criticize Swedes - and act as if they're morally above everyone else. I despise that.Gonna try to reply to this segment although I don't quite understand you still:"

I dont get you either, iam against mass immigrantion, maybe you forgot that? But then again you take to personal attacts and no one is forcing you to reply, if you dont want to then dont. If you think iam sophisticated and tolerant who sees the thruth, then bow to me peseant! ;) ironisk!

"About immigrants and crime, your own word:
"small percentage"? No, it's a large percentage of immigrants in Sweden that are prone to violence.
Wow, you seriously don't see that Swedish media hides and tries to whitewash (skönmåla) immigrant crime?"Now if the number is large how large is it? Is immigrants commiting more crimes then Sweds, if so how much? You said they where commiting violence and then later that most crimes is commited by immigrants. Its not like your infront of a court for beating a woman saying "I didnt know I couldnt use violence on X gender/race because I didnt know its a crime" See my point? Especially in this case since its a crime they have commited with violence or havent the immigrant commited a crime since they only used violence? So are you saying that the somali dude just acted out violence and killed the Lebanese woman was not a crime? Please clarify.
Fact is that people in Sweden with immigrant background are 5-10 more likely to commit crime than ethnic Swedes, depending on the type of crime. Does that answer your question? Whitewash it all you want. I don't understand what you're trying to say when you make a distinction between violence and crime. Violence is crime.About the Somali man who killed the Lebanese woman aid worker. It was violent crime. That's not hard to understand. Some groups are prone to violence, and violence against other people usually counts as crime."
 

You still dont get it.....
You imlpied in a earlier reply that l lied about you saying that immigrants commited the majority of the crime. Which you have answered now, thanks! Or are you impling the opposite? 

Sorry, but this is naive. These questions were asked in the mid 80's already. I'm gonna adress them:
* that there are so many highly educated among taxi drivers is a myth
* those who are educated and driving taxis and making pizzas, usually have an education that is incompatible with the Swedish labor market. Engineer and economist from the third world, it's very hard to make those useful here. It's different with doctors, it only takes a couple of years to make a third word doctor be able to work in Sweden, and thus we see many many foreign doctors in Sweden. Stop blaming Swedes when the problem is complicated.
* fact is that the vast majority of immigrants don't even have a university eductation.

You do know that all Taxi drivers arent engineers, dentists etc? It was an example not reality that we have people that indeed are engineers/doctor etc. You admit yourself. Those how are should be complement thier foreign education which I stated and you seem to agree. Iam totally with you on that one. Thier education arent up to par, but I rather see them educate themself in thier right field then being on wellfare for 8-10 years (thinks thats how long it takes integrate). Frist we have solve the problem we have now, integration and at the same time close the borders.

 Yes, perhaps it was a mistake to kill Saddam but that doesn't explain Syria and Assad or Somalia, Erithrea, Afghanistan etc. Don't blame everything on the west only because an immigrant told you so.I have had tons of immigrant friends through the years and a common factor they shared was that they all blame everyone else for their problems. (varför är svennar alltid så stolta för att de känner invandrare? Patetiskt) 

Now your taking things out of context. I said the US and its allies, not the hole of West. This is a fact check it up. Your trying paint me as an anti west dude which iam not. Once again your twisting and turning my words. Ever since the US got out of Iraq and Afghanistan terrorism has grew in the region and spread to neighboring countries. Its a fact google it. And a resulted in ISIS growing stronger, that is a fact. ISIS wasnt big when the US was.

Now your impling that theese arent my own thought and that an immigrant made me think like this. All above is facts google it.
"Don't blame everything on the west only because an immigrant told you so"
Do you like immigrants/foreigners or not, simple yes or no would do? Your contradicting yourself by saying you had immigrant friends through the years and that the swedes that have/know/knew immigrants/foreign friends are pathetic, but your acctually impling to yourself at the same time in past sentence. Meaning your where pathetic. And now your not, hence voting for the SD. But your also impling the following, everybody that thinks diffrent then you are pathetic and people that know/knew/had immigrants/foregner friends are pathetic.

(varför är svennar alltid så stolta för att de känner invandrare? Patetiskt) 
Translation into English
(why are swedes so proud to know immigrants? Pathetic)

Of course non-swedes too are victims of this violence. I didn't imply anything else. I not even once implied that violence and crime committed by people of immigrant background would be racist or targeted only against Swedes. Where the hell did you get this from?

Simple reminder that all that victims of crime in Sweden arent Swedish and most that are victims, gotta tell the thruth. Thanks for doing so. And by the way what about Sweds commiting crimes why do they do commite crime? Please share.

Hmm... I'm very sorry if there's been an understanding between us and if I've accused you of things you are not. Damn.

By the "knowing immigrant part" I mean proud of it, that it's pathetic to take pride in knowing immigrants, like many Swedes do. Yes, I have had many immigrant friends, and they bring some originality that often isn't found in Swedes, but they all have sides of their personalities that I really hate, for example that they look down upon Swedes, that they are prone to lying, and often are proud of it etc.

What do you mean by your last sentence? There are Swedish idiots who commit crimes for many reasons but I don't accept those reasons. Usually criminals are egoistic and look down upon other people.



Ljink96 on 01 February 2016

It's things like this that make me question our race. I'm just so sick of it.



Danuch on 02 February 2016
Slimebeast said:
Danuch said:
Slimebeast said:

lol, now you're condescending too. That's a part of the mass immigration arsenal too.

So you are this sophisticated, tolerant guys who has seen the truth, while the common Swedes react by instinct and fear? Laughable. The majority of Swedes are like you - explain away foreigner, criticize Swedes - and act as if they're morally above everyone else. I despise that.

Gonna try to reply to this segment although I don't quite understand you still:

About immigrants and crime, your own word:
"small percentage"? No, it's a large percentage of immigrants in Sweden that are prone to violence.

Wow, you seriously don't see that Swedish media hides and tries to whitewash (skönmåla) immigrant crime?"

Now if the number is large how large is it? Is immigrants commiting more crimes then Sweds, if so how much? You said they where commiting violence and then later that most crimes is commited by immigrants. Its not like your infront of a court for beating a woman saying "I didnt know I couldnt use violence on X gender/race because I didnt know its a crime" See my point? Especially in this case since its a crime they have commited with violence or havent the immigrant commited a crime since they only used violence? So are you saying that the somali dude just acted out violence and killed the Lebanese woman was not a crime? Please clarify.

 

Fact is that people in Sweden with immigrant background are 5-10 more likely to commit crime than ethnic Swedes, depending on the type of crime. Does that answer your question? Whitewash it all you want.

I don't understand what you're trying to say when you make a distinction between violence and crime. Violence is crime.

About the Somali man who killed the Lebanese woman aid worker. It was violent crime. That's not hard to understand. Some groups are prone to violence, and violence against other people usually counts as crime.

 


 The 22 year old woman that was killed by the Somalian refugee, she was a Lebanese Christian I think. What does that have to do with anything?
Alot! My point is even none sweds gets killed/robbed etc by immigrants not just Sweds, it is not rational thinking. You only telling half of the thruth. And you dont see a majority of Lebanese people wondering around beating Somalis? Since Lebanese/middle-eastern are immigrants they are prone to more violence!

 

Of course non-swedes too are victims of this violence. I didn't imply anything else. I not even once implied that violence and crime committed by people of immigrant background would be racist or targeted only against Swedes. Where the hell did you get this from?



Why do have so many dentist, enigneers etc working as cleaners, at pizzieras, taxi drivers? If you want to integrate people we need a system for it. But we, me and you Swedes are afraid of immigrants, but we can eat thier kebabs and pizzas. Se now the problem here is how do we integrate them and get them to work and get them to pay taxes instead of the opposite. If you been a Dentist Iraq let them "praktisera" as a dentist in Sweden and learn the rest (teory lessons) in school. I dont think being a dentist in Iraq is hard then being one in Sweden, acctually the opposite. Or are they just taking our jobs? What stopping us really? We need good engineers, let them praktisera. Give them a chance, we are allready paying for them. Två fluggor i en smäll

 

Sorry, but this is naive. These questions were asked in the mid 80's already. I'm gonna adress them:

* that there are so many highly educated among taxi drivers is a myth
* those who are educated and driving taxis and making pizzas, usually have an education that is incompatible with the Swedish labor market. Engineer and economist from the third world, it's very hard to make those useful here. It's different with doctors, it only takes a couple of years to make a third word doctor be able to work in Sweden, and thus we see many many foreign doctors in Sweden. Stop blaming Swedes when the problem is complicated.
* fact is that the vast majority of immigrants don't even have a university eductation.

 


I have customers (work in ICA) some of them are Syrian/Assyrian/Iraq refugees I speak to them alot. They all say the opposite of what the media want us to believe about Bashar Al-Saddad and Saddam (but they agree they where controlled regims) but they gave education, safety to everyone regardless of religion or ethnicty. Not what we see today with ISIS. None of this would have happen if Saddam would have been killed. Saddam was rotten, but America helped him take power, same thing with Irans leader, Egypt and Morrocos. See where iam going with this? Theese are all the areas with problem, wonder why. Its not about helping its about money. And they (capatalism) dont give a damm how many people has to die (1,5 million Iraqies has died since the invasion of Iraq). According to my customers (Syrian/Iraq) where safe countrie. But the people werent ready for democracy and they stilla arnt, just look at Iraq. I call it a climate/ideology war.  

 

Yes, perhaps it was a mistake to kill Saddam but that doesn't explain Syria and Assad or Somalia, Erithrea, Afghanistan etc. Don't blame everything on the west only because an immigrant told you so.

I have had tons of immigrant friends through the years and a common factor they shared was that they all blame everyone else for their problems.
(varför är svennar alltid så stolta för att de känner invandrare? Patetiskt) 

 

"lol, now you're condescending too. "
By state, now  you're condescending too, your impling yourself as condescending.

"That's a part of the mass immigration arsenal too.So you are this sophisticated, tolerant guys who has seen the truth, while the common Swedes react by instinct and fear? Laughable. The majority of Swedes are like you - explain away foreigner, criticize Swedes - and act as if they're morally above everyone else. I despise that.Gonna try to reply to this segment although I don't quite understand you still:"

I dont get you either, iam against mass immigrantion, maybe you forgot that? But then again you take to personal attacts and no one is forcing you to reply, if you dont want to then dont. If you think iam sophisticated and tolerant who sees the thruth, then bow to me peseant! ;) ironisk!

"About immigrants and crime, your own word:
"small percentage"? No, it's a large percentage of immigrants in Sweden that are prone to violence.
Wow, you seriously don't see that Swedish media hides and tries to whitewash (skönmåla) immigrant crime?"Now if the number is large how large is it? Is immigrants commiting more crimes then Sweds, if so how much? You said they where commiting violence and then later that most crimes is commited by immigrants. Its not like your infront of a court for beating a woman saying "I didnt know I couldnt use violence on X gender/race because I didnt know its a crime" See my point? Especially in this case since its a crime they have commited with violence or havent the immigrant commited a crime since they only used violence? So are you saying that the somali dude just acted out violence and killed the Lebanese woman was not a crime? Please clarify.
Fact is that people in Sweden with immigrant background are 5-10 more likely to commit crime than ethnic Swedes, depending on the type of crime. Does that answer your question? Whitewash it all you want. I don't understand what you're trying to say when you make a distinction between violence and crime. Violence is crime.About the Somali man who killed the Lebanese woman aid worker. It was violent crime. That's not hard to understand. Some groups are prone to violence, and violence against other people usually counts as crime."
 

You still dont get it.....
You imlpied in a earlier reply that l lied about you saying that immigrants commited the majority of the crime. Which you have answered now, thanks! Or are you impling the opposite? 

Sorry, but this is naive. These questions were asked in the mid 80's already. I'm gonna adress them:
* that there are so many highly educated among taxi drivers is a myth
* those who are educated and driving taxis and making pizzas, usually have an education that is incompatible with the Swedish labor market. Engineer and economist from the third world, it's very hard to make those useful here. It's different with doctors, it only takes a couple of years to make a third word doctor be able to work in Sweden, and thus we see many many foreign doctors in Sweden. Stop blaming Swedes when the problem is complicated.
* fact is that the vast majority of immigrants don't even have a university eductation.

You do know that all Taxi drivers arent engineers, dentists etc? It was an example not reality that we have people that indeed are engineers/doctor etc. You admit yourself. Those how are should be complement thier foreign education which I stated and you seem to agree. Iam totally with you on that one. Thier education arent up to par, but I rather see them educate themself in thier right field then being on wellfare for 8-10 years (thinks thats how long it takes integrate). Frist we have solve the problem we have now, integration and at the same time close the borders.

 Yes, perhaps it was a mistake to kill Saddam but that doesn't explain Syria and Assad or Somalia, Erithrea, Afghanistan etc. Don't blame everything on the west only because an immigrant told you so.I have had tons of immigrant friends through the years and a common factor they shared was that they all blame everyone else for their problems. (varför är svennar alltid så stolta för att de känner invandrare? Patetiskt) 

Now your taking things out of context. I said the US and its allies, not the hole of West. This is a fact check it up. Your trying paint me as an anti west dude which iam not. Once again your twisting and turning my words. Ever since the US got out of Iraq and Afghanistan terrorism has grew in the region and spread to neighboring countries. Its a fact google it. And a resulted in ISIS growing stronger, that is a fact. ISIS wasnt big when the US was.

Now your impling that theese arent my own thought and that an immigrant made me think like this. All above is facts google it.
"Don't blame everything on the west only because an immigrant told you so"
Do you like immigrants/foreigners or not, simple yes or no would do? Your contradicting yourself by saying you had immigrant friends through the years and that the swedes that have/know/knew immigrants/foreign friends are pathetic, but your acctually impling to yourself at the same time in past sentence. Meaning your where pathetic. And now your not, hence voting for the SD. But your also impling the following, everybody that thinks diffrent then you are pathetic and people that know/knew/had immigrants/foregner friends are pathetic.

(varför är svennar alltid så stolta för att de känner invandrare? Patetiskt) 
Translation into English
(why are swedes so proud to know immigrants? Pathetic)

Of course non-swedes too are victims of this violence. I didn't imply anything else. I not even once implied that violence and crime committed by people of immigrant background would be racist or targeted only against Swedes. Where the hell did you get this from?

Simple reminder that all that victims of crime in Sweden arent Swedish and most that are victims, gotta tell the thruth. Thanks for doing so. And by the way what about Sweds commiting crimes why do they do commite crime? Please share.

Hmm... I'm very sorry if there's been an understanding between us and if I've accused you of things you are not. Damn.

By the "knowing immigrant part" I mean proud of it, that it's pathetic to take pride in knowing immigrants, like many Swedes do. Yes, I have had many immigrant friends, and they bring some originality that often isn't found in Swedes, but they all have sides of their personalities that I really hate, for example that they look down upon Swedes, that they are prone to lying, and often are proud of it etc.

What do you mean by your last sentence? There are Swedish idiots who commit crimes for many reasons but I don't accept those reasons. Usually criminals are egoistic and look down upon other people.

No harm done.

"By the "knowing immigrant part" I mean proud of it, that it's pathetic to take pride in knowing immigrants, like many Swedes do. Yes, I have had many immigrant friends, and they bring some originality that often isn't found in Swedes, but they all have sides of their personalities that I really hate, for example that they look down upon Swedes, that they are prone to lying, and often are proud of it etc."
Do you have any immigrants friends now? Because you dont have to take pride in knowing someone form a diffrent culture. You say that immigrants look down upon Swedes, you do this yourself towards immigrants/foreigners. But I have alot of immigrants friends that out right contradict your view. So are you and me equaly shit? Yes. Are there counterpart of you and me in diffrent political parties. Yes. Basically we're all shit. Because we all have same view of eachothers. Saying theese things (read above) about immigrants, hence you look down immigrants and in the same time you look down Swedes because obvisouly alot of Swedes take pride in knowing immigrants. So everybody is shit. My friend your view of the future is dark and faulty.

What do you mean by your last sentence? There are Swedish idiots who commit crimes for many reasons but I don't accept those reasons. Usually criminals are egoistic and look down upon other people.

You mentioned that immigrants are more prone to violence/crime. Now you say that Swedes commit crime to can you please tell me why Swedes commit crimes? What iam acctually trying to say everybody is prone to violence depending on thier invorement and upbringing.

There are 4 basic things everybody need.
- Roof over thier head.
- Food (no one can live without food)
- Love (everybody need to masturbate or do sex)
- Sence of purpose.

If some of theese are missing a human will try to find it. And might I remind you we Swed are one of a kind type of people. We have alooooooooot of patience. Why? Socialism, and in Socialism socio-economic is the most important thing. Do you prefer capitalism type of politics or socialism? 



Threalhusanrolla on 02 February 2016

http://newobserveronline.com/stockholm-attack-invented-by-controlled-media/

Read the thing, some interesting stuff. So maybe nothing but lies to flame the sympathy for illegals/criminals ?