Danuch said:
Slimebeast said:
lol, now you're condescending too. That's a part of the mass immigration arsenal too.
So you are this sophisticated, tolerant guys who has seen the truth, while the common Swedes react by instinct and fear? Laughable. The majority of Swedes are like you - explain away foreigner, criticize Swedes - and act as if they're morally above everyone else. I despise that.
Gonna try to reply to this segment although I don't quite understand you still:
About immigrants and crime, your own word:
"small percentage"? No, it's a large percentage of immigrants in Sweden that are prone to violence.
Wow, you seriously don't see that Swedish media hides and tries to whitewash (skönmåla) immigrant crime?"
Now if the number is large how large is it? Is immigrants commiting more crimes then Sweds, if so how much? You said they where commiting violence and then later that most crimes is commited by immigrants. Its not like your infront of a court for beating a woman saying "I didnt know I couldnt use violence on X gender/race because I didnt know its a crime" See my point? Especially in this case since its a crime they have commited with violence or havent the immigrant commited a crime since they only used violence? So are you saying that the somali dude just acted out violence and killed the Lebanese woman was not a crime? Please clarify.
Fact is that people in Sweden with immigrant background are 5-10 more likely to commit crime than ethnic Swedes, depending on the type of crime. Does that answer your question? Whitewash it all you want.
I don't understand what you're trying to say when you make a distinction between violence and crime. Violence is crime.
About the Somali man who killed the Lebanese woman aid worker. It was violent crime. That's not hard to understand. Some groups are prone to violence, and violence against other people usually counts as crime.
The 22 year old woman that was killed by the Somalian refugee, she was a Lebanese Christian I think. What does that have to do with anything?
Alot! My point is even none sweds gets killed/robbed etc by immigrants not just Sweds, it is not rational thinking. You only telling half of the thruth. And you dont see a majority of Lebanese people wondering around beating Somalis? Since Lebanese/middle-eastern are immigrants they are prone to more violence!
Of course non-swedes too are victims of this violence. I didn't imply anything else. I not even once implied that violence and crime committed by people of immigrant background would be racist or targeted only against Swedes. Where the hell did you get this from?
Why do have so many dentist, enigneers etc working as cleaners, at pizzieras, taxi drivers? If you want to integrate people we need a system for it. But we, me and you Swedes are afraid of immigrants, but we can eat thier kebabs and pizzas. Se now the problem here is how do we integrate them and get them to work and get them to pay taxes instead of the opposite. If you been a Dentist Iraq let them "praktisera" as a dentist in Sweden and learn the rest (teory lessons) in school. I dont think being a dentist in Iraq is hard then being one in Sweden, acctually the opposite. Or are they just taking our jobs? What stopping us really? We need good engineers, let them praktisera. Give them a chance, we are allready paying for them. Två fluggor i en smäll
Sorry, but this is naive. These questions were asked in the mid 80's already. I'm gonna adress them:
* that there are so many highly educated among taxi drivers is a myth
* those who are educated and driving taxis and making pizzas, usually have an education that is incompatible with the Swedish labor market. Engineer and economist from the third world, it's very hard to make those useful here. It's different with doctors, it only takes a couple of years to make a third word doctor be able to work in Sweden, and thus we see many many foreign doctors in Sweden. Stop blaming Swedes when the problem is complicated.
* fact is that the vast majority of immigrants don't even have a university eductation.
I have customers (work in ICA) some of them are Syrian/Assyrian/Iraq refugees I speak to them alot. They all say the opposite of what the media want us to believe about Bashar Al-Saddad and Saddam (but they agree they where controlled regims) but they gave education, safety to everyone regardless of religion or ethnicty. Not what we see today with ISIS. None of this would have happen if Saddam would have been killed. Saddam was rotten, but America helped him take power, same thing with Irans leader, Egypt and Morrocos. See where iam going with this? Theese are all the areas with problem, wonder why. Its not about helping its about money. And they (capatalism) dont give a damm how many people has to die (1,5 million Iraqies has died since the invasion of Iraq). According to my customers (Syrian/Iraq) where safe countrie. But the people werent ready for democracy and they stilla arnt, just look at Iraq. I call it a climate/ideology war.
Yes, perhaps it was a mistake to kill Saddam but that doesn't explain Syria and Assad or Somalia, Erithrea, Afghanistan etc. Don't blame everything on the west only because an immigrant told you so.
I have had tons of immigrant friends through the years and a common factor they shared was that they all blame everyone else for their problems.
(varför är svennar alltid så stolta för att de känner invandrare? Patetiskt)
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"lol, now you're condescending too. "
By state, now you're condescending too, your impling yourself as condescending.
"That's a part of the mass immigration arsenal too.So you are this sophisticated, tolerant guys who has seen the truth, while the common Swedes react by instinct and fear? Laughable. The majority of Swedes are like you - explain away foreigner, criticize Swedes - and act as if they're morally above everyone else. I despise that.Gonna try to reply to this segment although I don't quite understand you still:"
I dont get you either, iam against mass immigrantion, maybe you forgot that? But then again you take to personal attacts and no one is forcing you to reply, if you dont want to then dont. If you think iam sophisticated and tolerant who sees the thruth, then bow to me peseant! ;) ironisk!
"About immigrants and crime, your own word:
"small percentage"? No, it's a large percentage of immigrants in Sweden that are prone to violence.
Wow, you seriously don't see that Swedish media hides and tries to whitewash (skönmåla) immigrant crime?"Now if the number is large how large is it? Is immigrants commiting more crimes then Sweds, if so how much? You said they where commiting violence and then later that most crimes is commited by immigrants. Its not like your infront of a court for beating a woman saying "I didnt know I couldnt use violence on X gender/race because I didnt know its a crime" See my point? Especially in this case since its a crime they have commited with violence or havent the immigrant commited a crime since they only used violence? So are you saying that the somali dude just acted out violence and killed the Lebanese woman was not a crime? Please clarify.
Fact is that people in Sweden with immigrant background are 5-10 more likely to commit crime than ethnic Swedes, depending on the type of crime. Does that answer your question? Whitewash it all you want. I don't understand what you're trying to say when you make a distinction between violence and crime. Violence is crime.About the Somali man who killed the Lebanese woman aid worker. It was violent crime. That's not hard to understand. Some groups are prone to violence, and violence against other people usually counts as crime."
You still dont get it.....
You imlpied in a earlier reply that l lied about you saying that immigrants commited the majority of the crime. Which you have answered now, thanks! Or are you impling the opposite?
Sorry, but this is naive. These questions were asked in the mid 80's already. I'm gonna adress them:
* that there are so many highly educated among taxi drivers is a myth
* those who are educated and driving taxis and making pizzas, usually have an education that is incompatible with the Swedish labor market. Engineer and economist from the third world, it's very hard to make those useful here. It's different with doctors, it only takes a couple of years to make a third word doctor be able to work in Sweden, and thus we see many many foreign doctors in Sweden. Stop blaming Swedes when the problem is complicated.
* fact is that the vast majority of immigrants don't even have a university eductation.
You do know that all Taxi drivers arent engineers, dentists etc? It was an example not reality that we have people that indeed are engineers/doctor etc. You admit yourself. Those how are should be complement thier foreign education which I stated and you seem to agree. Iam totally with you on that one. Thier education arent up to par, but I rather see them educate themself in thier right field then being on wellfare for 8-10 years (thinks thats how long it takes integrate). Frist we have solve the problem we have now, integration and at the same time close the borders.
Yes, perhaps it was a mistake to kill Saddam but that doesn't explain Syria and Assad or Somalia, Erithrea, Afghanistan etc. Don't blame everything on the west only because an immigrant told you so.I have had tons of immigrant friends through the years and a common factor they shared was that they all blame everyone else for their problems. (varför är svennar alltid så stolta för att de känner invandrare? Patetiskt)
Now your taking things out of context. I said the US and its allies, not the hole of West. This is a fact check it up. Your trying paint me as an anti west dude which iam not. Once again your twisting and turning my words. Ever since the US got out of Iraq and Afghanistan terrorism has grew in the region and spread to neighboring countries. Its a fact google it. And a resulted in ISIS growing stronger, that is a fact. ISIS wasnt big when the US was.
Now your impling that theese arent my own thought and that an immigrant made me think like this. All above is facts google it.
"Don't blame everything on the west only because an immigrant told you so"
Do you like immigrants/foreigners or not, simple yes or no would do? Your contradicting yourself by saying you had immigrant friends through the years and that the swedes that have/know/knew immigrants/foreign friends are pathetic, but your acctually impling to yourself at the same time in past sentence. Meaning your where pathetic. And now your not, hence voting for the SD. But your also impling the following, everybody that thinks diffrent then you are pathetic and people that know/knew/had immigrants/foregner friends are pathetic.
(varför är svennar alltid så stolta för att de känner invandrare? Patetiskt)
Translation into English
(why are swedes so proud to know immigrants? Pathetic)
Of course non-swedes too are victims of this violence. I didn't imply anything else. I not even once implied that violence and crime committed by people of immigrant background would be racist or targeted only against Swedes. Where the hell did you get this from?
Simple reminder that all that victims of crime in Sweden arent Swedish and most that are victims, gotta tell the thruth. Thanks for doing so. And by the way what about Sweds commiting crimes why do they do commite crime? Please share.
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