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Would you quite Modern Gaming if its Digital Only?

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okr on 31 January 2016

No I wouldn't and you wouldn't either.



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Azzanation on 01 February 2016
potato_hamster said:
Azzanation said:
potato_hamster said:
Azzanation said:
Lauster said:
Azzanation said:
Lauster said:
Azzanation said:
My simple question to those who would is "Do you play the game or the Box?*
Google what a video game is and what its meant to do and you will find your anwser there.

 My simple question to you is "Do you prefer to buy a product, or a service that you don't control ?"

 If your Steam account is closed (for whatever reason, like not accepting a new EULA for example) you loose all your games.

Note : link redirect to a french site, so there is this that is not the same story but seems to have the same result.

Iv had my Steam account since 2004, it has been more relyable then any console purchase i have made. All my games are playable today with free updates in 2016.

Look at the benefits

My games cant get lost, Stolen, Damaged, my home storage space increases, i dont have to put the disk in the machine to play it, and i can go anywhere around the world and not have to worry about taking my games with me.

Disadvantages

That assumption electricity no longer exists.

Sorry but iv been collecting games since the 80s. I have no room or the patients with phyical games anymore. Its no longer needed.

I game because i want entertainment,  not so i can look at a box on my shelf knowing that its mine forever when in fact even phyical copy of games can still be taken away. I own many CD based games that no longer have support though a server. What if Live or PSN go down and you own 500 phyical games and you need a day one patch?

Exacty.

 Cool story bro, but you miss the point if you think that people that doesn't want the digital-only  is just for a "look at a box on my shelf" purpose.

I collect games since the 80s too, still not a problem for me, but I can understand your point about the space occupied.

I wish you to never have problem with the society of the man on your avatar.

In your 500 physical games, lets say there are  only 20 that are unplayable without their day one patch ? Still better to have 480 games playable than none if your Steam account is closed, isn't it ?

Exactly.

But it's more a DRM problem than a digital problem.
                               

There is no argument, Digital is a far more superiour way to buy and play your games. I have had more console and disk problems with my games then i ever did with digital. Your basing your argument around "What if Steam shuts down" lol honestly you really think they will shut down? If you were right another company will pick it up and continue it. Its a major cash grab.

Your next gen console relies on the internet, most of your games require internet to play and to download the day one patches. Without PSN or Live your console is a sitting brick.

Have you notice that the game box you have has nothing in it? The console only needs the disk to prove you purchased it becasue the stupid gaming community we have today hated on DRM so now we are forced to put a plastic disk in the plastic box to give the tick of approval. Buying phyiscal is a complete waste of resources and the sooner we go 100% digital the sooner we will have Steam priced games. The longer companies have to supply disks the more we will pay for digital because they want to sell you the disks first becasue again "Stupid community" 

Its not like the past where you can look at your N64 collection and go "I own those games" espeacilly with the formats we game on today its only a cover nothing else. I dont even think my PS1 or NES even work today due to there age, so i have 500+ unplayable games because i have no other way to play them. But you would rather that then have a service that looks after your games for you. Imagine you have a house fire? You lose all your games, but if you have them online there untouchable and always ready to download.

Digital is also the best form of backwards compatiablity, you dont need to own multiple types of hardware and to hope to god your old consoles still work or worse, hoping the disks/cartridges still read.

Sure you cant sell digital but you can always sell your account. I personally dont buy games to sell them.

Theres so much wrong with this post I don't even know where to begin. Steam has steam prices because steam has competition - Amazon, gog, humble, origin etc. all over the exact same games that can be played on the same piece of hardware. Sony has no competition in the marketplace for PS4 games. MS has no competition in the marketplace for X1 games. You're not going to see steam-style prices so long as there is only an MS marketplace on your xbox to buy xbox games. They have no reason to.

Your PS1 and N64 games should work just fine if you took care of them. I still play my PS1 and dreamcast games all the time, and some of those games are 18 years old. Why wouldn't they work? People are still playing their NES games from 1985.

As for backwards compatibility, just try getting the original GTA working on Windows 10. Tell me how much fun of an experience that is if you get it to work as its supposed to.

*Your PS1 and N64 games should work just fine if you took care of them. *

Digital you dont have to take care of them. Not everyone lives in a perfect enviroment, people have lost there belongings or even there houses. What happens then? Do you get a refund on all your games you lost to your house fire? No, can you redownload them if there digital? Yes.

I own Vice City, San Andreas, Liberty City, 3, 4 and 5 on Steam and they all work perfectly fine on my 55inch TV in full screen... i didnt even need to buy a remastered edition to play it in full.  

Hardware doesnt last forever , any body could tell you that, unless you have it sealed in an air tight, dust free Nasa storage room its going to not work one day. Same goes for disks and formats.

There are no benefits anymore having the games on disks, infact you get more disadvatages having it on disk then digital. The sooner the gaming community move on the better the industry becomes.

 

There are plenty of advantages to havings games on discs. Being able to re-sell them being a major one, being able to lend them to friends and family being another. Owning a copy of something that may in fact increase in price over time is yet another. Nevermind whatever value there is in having a game on your shelf rather than a hard drive if you see any in that.

You might not see those benefits as important to you, but that doesn't mean they're not important to others. In fact they might be important to the majority of console gamers.

Those benefits dont benefit the gamer who wants to play games. Your talking on those who want to collect or sell games. I went into a games shop wanting to trade in my Darks Souls 2 Collectors games, they offered me $17 for a perfect condition game.. stuff that, its worth keeping. I am a gamer who plays games not cares how much im going to get back when i sell it.

I would rather prefer to go home from work to see my collection of games still playable and accessable then to come home to games that dont work anymore or lost/stolen.

The benefits i care about are those that benefit the point of video games. If your a collector then go collect something else, if you just like looking at the box then go read and buy books. Video games are meant to be played not stored and resold. If your friends dont own the game, tell them to get a job and buy it, if its worth sharing then its worth buying. If your family cant play it, log into your account and give them the controller.

Its so simply its not even an argument anymore.



potato_hamster on 01 February 2016
Azzanation said:
potato_hamster said:
Azzanation said:
potato_hamster said:
Azzanation said:
Lauster said:
Azzanation said:
Lauster said:
Azzanation said:
My simple question to those who would is "Do you play the game or the Box?*
Google what a video game is and what its meant to do and you will find your anwser there.

 My simple question to you is "Do you prefer to buy a product, or a service that you don't control ?"

 If your Steam account is closed (for whatever reason, like not accepting a new EULA for example) you loose all your games.

Note : link redirect to a french site, so there is this that is not the same story but seems to have the same result.

Iv had my Steam account since 2004, it has been more relyable then any console purchase i have made. All my games are playable today with free updates in 2016.

Look at the benefits

My games cant get lost, Stolen, Damaged, my home storage space increases, i dont have to put the disk in the machine to play it, and i can go anywhere around the world and not have to worry about taking my games with me.

Disadvantages

That assumption electricity no longer exists.

Sorry but iv been collecting games since the 80s. I have no room or the patients with phyical games anymore. Its no longer needed.

I game because i want entertainment,  not so i can look at a box on my shelf knowing that its mine forever when in fact even phyical copy of games can still be taken away. I own many CD based games that no longer have support though a server. What if Live or PSN go down and you own 500 phyical games and you need a day one patch?

Exacty.

 Cool story bro, but you miss the point if you think that people that doesn't want the digital-only  is just for a "look at a box on my shelf" purpose.

I collect games since the 80s too, still not a problem for me, but I can understand your point about the space occupied.

I wish you to never have problem with the society of the man on your avatar.

In your 500 physical games, lets say there are  only 20 that are unplayable without their day one patch ? Still better to have 480 games playable than none if your Steam account is closed, isn't it ?

Exactly.

But it's more a DRM problem than a digital problem.
                               

There is no argument, Digital is a far more superiour way to buy and play your games. I have had more console and disk problems with my games then i ever did with digital. Your basing your argument around "What if Steam shuts down" lol honestly you really think they will shut down? If you were right another company will pick it up and continue it. Its a major cash grab.

Your next gen console relies on the internet, most of your games require internet to play and to download the day one patches. Without PSN or Live your console is a sitting brick.

Have you notice that the game box you have has nothing in it? The console only needs the disk to prove you purchased it becasue the stupid gaming community we have today hated on DRM so now we are forced to put a plastic disk in the plastic box to give the tick of approval. Buying phyiscal is a complete waste of resources and the sooner we go 100% digital the sooner we will have Steam priced games. The longer companies have to supply disks the more we will pay for digital because they want to sell you the disks first becasue again "Stupid community" 

Its not like the past where you can look at your N64 collection and go "I own those games" espeacilly with the formats we game on today its only a cover nothing else. I dont even think my PS1 or NES even work today due to there age, so i have 500+ unplayable games because i have no other way to play them. But you would rather that then have a service that looks after your games for you. Imagine you have a house fire? You lose all your games, but if you have them online there untouchable and always ready to download.

Digital is also the best form of backwards compatiablity, you dont need to own multiple types of hardware and to hope to god your old consoles still work or worse, hoping the disks/cartridges still read.

Sure you cant sell digital but you can always sell your account. I personally dont buy games to sell them.

Theres so much wrong with this post I don't even know where to begin. Steam has steam prices because steam has competition - Amazon, gog, humble, origin etc. all over the exact same games that can be played on the same piece of hardware. Sony has no competition in the marketplace for PS4 games. MS has no competition in the marketplace for X1 games. You're not going to see steam-style prices so long as there is only an MS marketplace on your xbox to buy xbox games. They have no reason to.

Your PS1 and N64 games should work just fine if you took care of them. I still play my PS1 and dreamcast games all the time, and some of those games are 18 years old. Why wouldn't they work? People are still playing their NES games from 1985.

As for backwards compatibility, just try getting the original GTA working on Windows 10. Tell me how much fun of an experience that is if you get it to work as its supposed to.

*Your PS1 and N64 games should work just fine if you took care of them. *

Digital you dont have to take care of them. Not everyone lives in a perfect enviroment, people have lost there belongings or even there houses. What happens then? Do you get a refund on all your games you lost to your house fire? No, can you redownload them if there digital? Yes.

I own Vice City, San Andreas, Liberty City, 3, 4 and 5 on Steam and they all work perfectly fine on my 55inch TV in full screen... i didnt even need to buy a remastered edition to play it in full.  

Hardware doesnt last forever , any body could tell you that, unless you have it sealed in an air tight, dust free Nasa storage room its going to not work one day. Same goes for disks and formats.

There are no benefits anymore having the games on disks, infact you get more disadvatages having it on disk then digital. The sooner the gaming community move on the better the industry becomes.

 

There are plenty of advantages to havings games on discs. Being able to re-sell them being a major one, being able to lend them to friends and family being another. Owning a copy of something that may in fact increase in price over time is yet another. Nevermind whatever value there is in having a game on your shelf rather than a hard drive if you see any in that.

You might not see those benefits as important to you, but that doesn't mean they're not important to others. In fact they might be important to the majority of console gamers.

Those benefits dont benefit the gamer who wants to play games. Your talking on those who want to collect or sell games. I went into a games shop wanting to trade in my Darks Souls 2 Collectors games, they offered me $17 for a perfect condition game.. stuff that, its worth keeping. I am a gamer who plays games not cares how much im going to get back when i sell it.

I would rather prefer to go home from work to see my collection of games still playable and accessable then to come home to games that dont work anymore or lost/stolen.

The benefits i care about are those that benefit the point of video games. If your a collector then go collect something else, if you just like looking at the box then go read and buy books. Video games are meant to be played not stored and resold. If your friends dont own the game, tell them to get a job and buy it, if its worth sharing then its worth buying. If your family cant play it, log into your account and give them the controller.

Its so simply its not even an argument anymore.

Ohh right, because gamers who want to collect games, don't also want to play them, and I mean, it's not like a lot of people out there sell or trade in their games once they're done with them so they can buy more games to play! They're just in it for collecting right?

It's just as easy to see your collection of games still playable and accessable with hard copies vs. digital. Try downloading a game you don't already have installed off of steam if their servers are down, or your internet is down, for example. But nothing is going to stop me from booting up Driver for my PS1 except for the unlikely event my PS1, PS2 and PS3 all break. You're just as vulerable to incidences beyond your control affecting the playability of your game collection, you're just trading one set of risks for different, arguably more sinister set of risks.

In your eyes, video games are solely meant to be played, and not stored or resold. But that's just you. That's not an objective fact, that's just your opinion, and it's not even an opinion commonly shared amonst console video gamers. I also think it's wonderful that yout thought-process dismissing the value of owning hard copies involves literally getting another hobby, or being a jerk to your friends or family. Not everyone shares your point of view. In fact, the all of the controversey surrounding the launch of the X1 shows that you and people that share your opinion are still part of tiny minority.

So you're just gonna have to deal with it.





The Fury on 01 February 2016
Soundwave said:

Nope. Digital only is going to happen at some point anyway, your kids will laugh at you when you tell them you had to drive to the store to buy a single video game that came on a small plate sized disc or a cartridge 4x the size of their phone. 

If my kids did that, they wouldn't be playing those games for a while. Little disrespectful brats!

 





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ChrnoTodd on 01 February 2016
Valdath said:

If they stopped releasing physical games i would just get a PC and pirate evertything :)


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AlfredoTurkey on 01 February 2016
Conina said:
potato_hamster said:

There are plenty of advantages to havings games on discs. Being able to re-sell them being a major one, being able to lend them to friends and family being another. Owning a copy of something that may in fact increase in price over time is yet another. Nevermind whatever value there is in having a game on your shelf rather than a hard drive if you see any in that.

They "may" increase in price, but only a fraction of retail games are that lucky, especially if you open the box to play the game. Most games lose a lot of their resell value, in most cases the few bucks you can get for them ain't worth the effort.

 

On my shelf, I have Moonwalker, Contra Hard Corps, Toejam & Earl 1, Castle Of Illusion, Super Metroid, Super Mario Kart, Link to the Past, Mega Man 1,2,3,4,5,6 amount countless others. The Genesis games are all "complete in box". All of those games go from 30 to over 100 dollars each on Ebay right now. I have many more that sell for more than brand new games.

My question is, how many used digital titles are selling for over $30.00 on Ebay right now or will in the future?



Azuren on 01 February 2016

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JOKA_ on 01 February 2016

Of course not.

In the 80s/90s the easiest, fastest, most efficient way to get a game to you was on a cartridge.
In the 00s the easiest, fastest, most efficient way to get a game to you was on a disc.
Right now, digital download is becoming (not fully yet) the easiest, fastest, most efficient way to get a game.

Thats all it is, a way to get you a game. Its still going to be the same fun game no matter how the 0s and 1s are delivered to you.

You listed some advantages to physical over digital, and yes they do exist. However there are some advantages to digital:
- Can't be damaged
- Can't be stolen
- Can pre-load and literally play them the second they release, all without leaving my couch



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JOKA_ on 01 February 2016
potato_hamster said:
Ruler said:

it never turned on when i turned it off. again youre confusing it with sleep mode, if its orange thats when its in sleep mode

You really need to look in to how "off" the PS4 is when it's "off". The results may surprise you.

Ruler is right, there are 2 modes.  

In rest mode, your PS4 is still connected to the internet and can download updates/purchases that you made (yellow light).  When your PS4 is really off, it isn't connected and doesn't download anything (light off).

http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps4/basic/power.html





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JOKA_ on 02 February 2016
Shadow1980 said:

JOKA_ said:
Of course not.

In the 80s/90s the easiest, fastest, most efficient way to get a game to you was on a cartridge.

Well, it was either cartridges or floppy disks. Cartridges won out on consoles because they were harder to pirate, more durable, had no load times, and didn't require an expensive floppy disk drive.

In the 00s the easiest, fastest, most efficient way to get a game to you was on a disc.

The only reason discs won out over cartridges was because they cost less and could hold more data than the cartridges of the 90s could. It had nothing to do with consumer preference (the N64 was winning in the U.S. from September '96 to August '97) or about ease of use, speed, or efficiency. Hell, the N64 had effectively zero load times and fewer moving parts, so you could argue they had the speed and efficiency advantage. Cartridges vs. CDs was a format war settled purely by the desires of third parties.

Right now, digital download is becoming (not fully yet) the easiest, fastest, most efficient way to get a game.

I have a GameStop and Wal-mart on the same block just 5-10 minutes away. Going out and buying a game is hardly an arduous task.

You listed some advantages to physical over digital, and yes they do exist. However there are some advantages to digital:
- Can't be damaged

But files can be corrupted, and hard drives do fail, and if either of those happen after your console is no longer supported, well...

- Can't be stolen

Your odds of someone burglarizing your home are going to be dependent on where you live, but I imagine your overall lifetime odds of getting burglarized are pretty low on average. Also, there's a reason why home security systems and homeowner's/renter's insurance are things. And if you can't afford those things, you probably aren't in a financial situation to be buying video games or paying a premium for high-speed internet. Also, hardware can be stolen, and your games with it. Sure, you can redownload them... for now. But what about 20 years from now when every extant console is likely no longer supported?

- Can pre-load and literally play them the second they release, all without leaving my couch

All fine and dandy if you have good internet and you plan on pre-ordering everything. But if you don't preorder a game, even if you have good internet it might be quicker to just pick up a physical copy from the store. I have pretty good internet, but even assuming optimum download conditions it will still take at least 4 hours to download a 50GB game. Realistically it'll take longer. Meanwhile, there's that GameStop that's only a ten-minute drive away.

Listen, if you want to download all your games, that's your prerogative. Whatever floats your boat. My problem is that far too many digital-only evangelists seems to want physical copies to just go away. I'm fine with people having a choice. You do your thing, I do mine. But if someone wants physical media to stop being made, then I have a problem. They don't respect my choice. They don't want me to have a choice. If gaming does go digital only, I no longer have a choice. And I think most of us would resent a completely needless revocation of choice, which is why no other segment of the entertainment industry has forced digital on anyone. I prefer physical media. I find that actually owning what I buy is the better alternative. I don't trust digital any further than I could throw it. If physical media goes away, then I'm done supporting the industry, and that's that.

Whoa thanks for the thorough response.  I agree that some of my points were thin (theft), and I do think there is some risk because its not guaranteed that these services will be around forever.  As a counter point, I do want to mention data rot for physical media: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_degradation#Decay_of_storage_media Its entirely possible that in 20 or 30 years those collections of discs won't work anymore. 


I'm just going to mainly focus on the last part:

Of course I miss being a kid, leaving GameStop with a fresh new game, reading the manual on the way home.  But progress marches on, and I don't think those times are coming back (definitely not the manual part ha).  I'm not saying that I WANT physical media to go away, I just see it as an inevitablilty.  I'm totally cool with both co-existing....I just don't see it happening.  And to go back to the OP's question, it seems silly (imo) to stop doing a hobby because the delivery method changed.



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