Forums - Politics Discussion - There is no Such Thing as "White Privilege"

teigaga said:
DonFerrari said:
Puppyroach said:

Except Sweden has one of the lowest debt-per-GDP in the world at something like 40%. We also had a gdp growth last year of 3,9% which is amazing considering how much turmoil we have in the world right now.

From what I know the trend is that of a growing debt.

teigaga said:
DonFerrari said:

Jews had it a lot

Whats the context? Genocide versus 150 years of slavery and social deprivation are not comparable when looking at the generational impact on american communities.

Unless the Jewish experienced a recent century of basic reading+writing abilities being trained out of them, we really shouldn't be comparing the two. Not in the context of this discussion.

Besides having 6M MURDERED? Being despised and hunt in Germany for decades before, being hunted on Spain and Portugal for centuries (perhaps other european countries as well during the middle age), being slaves on Egypt and a lot more... yes jew had it easy.

Where did anyone say they had it easy and Where are you responding to my point?

The Jewish enslavement in Egypt  pre-dates the bible. Why are we comparing that to slavery which is recent enough for children of actual slaves to still be alive today in America? It makes no sense, which is why context is key.

Equally you can't just compare different 2 atrocities and treat them as the same. A key component of recent African American history was the removal of literacy in the last 2 century's. A means of the community to nurture itself and grow. In the west the community has never had strong pockets of wealth, power and influence like the Jewish. The community also never recieved reperations, whereas the jewish did. You're comparing apples and pears.

And you choose to ignore the persecution/prejudice against jew in Europe from before 1500 going all the way up to 2 WW?

How did Europeans removed literacy of the Slaves if their tribes were iliterate to begin with? And during slavery most of white people were iliterate as well.

Reparation of jewish for being exterminated I'm mostly sure didn't even equate to how much of their possessions were robbed from them on the nazi germany, but certainly no one looked for reparation for all the rest prior to that, and was done to the people that were directly abused not to all jews alive. How do you want to calculate a debt from someone who didn't commit a crime to someone that didn't suffer that crime on an expectation of what may have happened 150 years before and not even involve both? In Brazil it's show that something between 90-98% of population have black/african heritage, how do you want to calculate the debt? By looking at how dark a skin is?

SpokenTruth said:
PerturbedKitty said:

How does their race tell you anything about their individual circumstance? You keep making this distinction between individuals and collectives, yet you just contradicted it here by saying their race informs you of their circumstance and is something to be considered. 

Dude you're literally telling me that I have to treat people different based on their race. Not once when I interact with people do I remind myself "ok, I'm speaking to an African American male right now" and you know what, I shouldn't ever have to think about that. Part of not being a racist is not considering someone's race when you're talking to them. Treating them as an equal, not as someone who is disadvantaged or in some way handicapped. I would hate it if somebody thought they had to talk to me differently because I'm white. Those are the kind of people I'd like to stay away from. I want to be around people who treat me as an equal and don't consider my race or gender, and youre taking it upon yourself to make a declaration for the entire black community.

What if black people dont want people to keep in mind that they're black and that they have this different experience that they cannot understand? Sure im sure that there are some black people who would love it if every white person they encountered would think this way, but I bet that most of them do not. I bet most of them do not want the people they are talking with to consider their race as some sort of significant factor in how they interact with them. I believe my fellow humans want to be treated and seen as equals.

Let me put it another way.

Would you be ok being born black?  Or any minority?  Or a woman?  Would you be OK dealing with the extra crap they have to deal with in life?  Now if you were, how would you want people to address you and your circumstances?  Would you want them to ignore your history, your culture, your differences?  I can assure you that people do not like to have that ignored.  Does that mean your interaction between people of different races and cultures will be drastically different?  Probably not.  But there should be some subtle differences but that goes the case with all interactions anyway...even if you're not consciously aware of it.

Yes I would. I'm white skinned while my brother would be considered black. We both were born from like 6/8 of our ancestors being slaves 4 generations ago (more or less) with the other 2/8 being from Italian that were in slavelike conditions when immigrated to brazil and my wife is japanese decendent. Family history show that as soon as one in each branch decided studying were important the next generation were improving leaps and bounds.

People ignore all my history, culture and differences to say I'm privileged, why should I consider any individual to have a more meaningless heritage or relevance than myself to say they deserve special threatment? The only people I care about their experience or would think should care about mine are people that I have close connections to.

All the other I would say is indiferent, if I don't have their history I can only evaluate by what he represent.

So am I the privileged one because my skin is lighter than my brother or sister?

Wyrdness said:
On the whole privilege thing if it didn't exist can someone explain why white Americans are simply called American while other ethnic groups are called Afro-American, Asian-American and so on?

I kind of agree with Spoken Truth, tbh.

Because Afro-American, Asian-American and Native-American don't like to be called black, yellow, red... while white american don't fuck care to be called white or caucassian, so they just use American. You are barking at the wrong three.

I'm Brazilian... white skinned... I have 3/4 black african blood, 1/4 italian immigrant blood (know relatives). Should I call myself Afro-Euro-Brazilian? Nope I'm Brazilian, but black people don't want anyone to say they are brazilian or have dark skin they want to be called Afro-Brazilian.



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For someone who says they go to school, you must not be learning anything. Take a basic Sociology course. You'll learn that it's a real thing. I'll spell out specific examples for you.

White privilege is having generational wealth because your family after World War II was not forced into segregated, red-zoned neighborhoods. 

White privilege is using that wealth to get access to better schools and a better education because your family can afford to pay the high property taxes.

White privilege is using drug at the same rate as African Americans, but not being dispropotionately targeted by police.

White privilege is not being pulled over by police for driving a nice car while being black/latino.

White privilege is not getting your resume thrown out, when you're just as qualified as the next white applicant but are discriminated due to a foreign sounding name.

Those are just a few examples. Some are defensive about white privilege because they take it to mean that they haven't worked hard for what they earned. That is NOT what white privilege is. No one is saying you haven't earned what you've worked hard for. What we're saying is that there are conscious and subsconscious biases in society that give you certain advantages.



Wyrdness said:
outlawauron said:

People like to be labeled and have something to identify with. I don't think humans fixation on having a group or a label to belong to is evidence of privilege. At least, in my experience that people are very proud of it and celebrate it.

Really because from my experience people don't like to be labelled, here in the UK we simply say someone is British regardless of their ethnicity, I think you may be mixed up here on being labelled and people being proud of their heritage. Labelling is a means of separating people into groups, why are whites simply American when born in the US but everyone else has their ethnicity tagged on to it, many black Americans have never been to Africa to be called Afro-American and if you're going by heritage shouldn't caucasians be labelled as Euro-Americans.

I can only speak from my experiences. I live in part of the country where people take on their ethnicity as part of their culture and identity. I just said that I don't see the terms existance as evidence of privilege. 



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DonFerrari said:

 

Because Afro-American, Asian-American and Native-American don't like to be called black, yellow, red... while white american don't fuck care to be called white or caucassian, so they just use American. You are barking at the wrong three.

I'm Brazilian... white skinned... I have 3/4 black african blood, 1/4 italian immigrant blood (know relatives). Should I call myself Afro-Euro-Brazilian? Nope I'm Brazilian, but black people don't want anyone to say they are brazilian or have dark skin they want to be called Afro-Brazilian.

 

Yet in places like the UK you don't see any of that, only people I've seen here say they're African are actual Africans themselves for example so I don't fully buy what you're saying, here if they're British they just say British. It's also tree not three btw.



PerturbedKitty said:
This thread is a good way to show me who to 100% avoid on this site. Thank you, Mr. Trump.

Exactly, this guy keeps pushing Trump in all these threads. It's kind of scary.





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Tigerlure said:

For someone who says they go to school, you must not be learning anything. Take a basic Sociology course. You'll learn that it's a real thing. I'll spell out specific examples for you.

White privilege is having generational wealth because your family after World War II was not forced into segregated, red-zoned neighborhoods. 

White privilege is using that wealth to get access to better schools and a better education because your family can afford to pay the high property taxes.

White privilege is using drug at the same rate as African Americans, but not being dispropotionately targeted by police.

White privilege is not being pulled over by police for driving a nice car while being black/latino.

White privilege is not getting your resume thrown out, when you're just as qualified as the next white applicant but are discriminated due to a foreign sounding name.

Those are just a few examples. Some are defensive about white privilege because they take it to mean that they haven't worked hard for what they earned. That is NOT what white privilege is. No one is saying you haven't earned what you've worked hard for. What we're saying is that there are conscious and subsconscious biases in society that give you certain advantages.

sorry, i take courses that are actually worth a shit. you know, molecular biology, physical chemistry, biochemistry, microbiology, analytical chemistry.. things that actually contribute to real progress. ive taken a sociology course.. two in fact. and i wasnt impressed at all. 

im sorry, i know not everybody on this board agrees with me, but i hold to the principle that people should be judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin. yes, i know, its an old antiquated idea from the 1960s, but i really like it and i am just going to stick to that. 





Wyrdness said:
On the whole privilege thing if it didn't exist can someone explain why white Americans are simply called American while other ethnic groups are called Afro-American, Asian-American and so on?

I kind of agree with Spoken Truth, tbh.

those are labels that people adopt for themseleves for whatever reason. that has nothing to do with this supposed privilege that we are all supposed to mindlessly accept that white males have. 





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ABRlWybBqM

Yeah racial profiling doesn't exist. At all. lol.

Reality is people are petty, superficial. You get judged on the color of your skin on a daily basis all the time. 



just to throw it out there, i do believe that blacks in america have a rougher time with the police than whites do. i do think that the way police treat them is incredibly unfair, but my view on police is not very positive to begin with. this is perhaps the only area that i see some kind of unfairness that black people have to deal with. but on the other side of that coin, i cant receive a single scholarship for being white, so they dont have a monopoly on being treated unfairly. every demographic faces some kind of inequality.



PerturbedKitty said:
just to throw it out there, i do believe that blacks in america have a rougher time with the police than whites do. i do think that the way police treat them is incredibly unfair, but my view on police is not very positive to begin with. this is perhaps the only area that i see some kind of unfairness that black people have to deal with. but on the other side of that coin, i cant receive a single scholarship for being white, so they dont have a monopoly on being treated unfairly. every demographic faces some kind of inequality.

 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ABRlWybBqM

Again this isn't police. This is average citizens. Look at the massive double standard. 

The "DEY TOOK ERRRR SCHOLARSHIPS!" issue is overblown too

https://www.good.is/articles/debunking-the-myth-that-minorities-receive-more-college-scholarships

Yes sure having black skin is an advantage ... uh ... maybe for the 0.0000001% of the population who's life goal is to be a rapper.