Forums - Politics Discussion - There is no Such Thing as "White Privilege"

PerturbedKitty said:
Tigerlure said:

For someone who says they go to school, you must not be learning anything. Take a basic Sociology course. You'll learn that it's a real thing. I'll spell out specific examples for you.

White privilege is having generational wealth because your family after World War II was not forced into segregated, red-zoned neighborhoods. 

White privilege is using that wealth to get access to better schools and a better education because your family can afford to pay the high property taxes.

White privilege is using drug at the same rate as African Americans, but not being dispropotionately targeted by police.

White privilege is not being pulled over by police for driving a nice car while being black/latino.

White privilege is not getting your resume thrown out, when you're just as qualified as the next white applicant but are discriminated due to a foreign sounding name.

Those are just a few examples. Some are defensive about white privilege because they take it to mean that they haven't worked hard for what they earned. That is NOT what white privilege is. No one is saying you haven't earned what you've worked hard for. What we're saying is that there are conscious and subsconscious biases in society that give you certain advantages.

sorry, i take courses that are actually worth a shit. you know, molecular biology, physical chemistry, biochemistry, microbiology, analytical chemistry.. things that actually contribute to real progress. ive taken a sociology course.. two in fact. and i wasnt impressed at all. 

im sorry, i know not everybody on this board agrees with me, but i hold to the principle that people should be judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin. yes, i know, its an old antiquated idea from the 1960s, but i really like it and i am just going to stick to that. 



 

I notice you didn't refute any of my points. If you want to pretend that life is a simple as "judging by the content of their character and not the color of their skin", then that's fine. We all want life to be that way. But there's a clear difference between what it is and what we want it to be. 



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Tigerlure said:

For someone who says they go to school, you must not be learning anything. Take a basic Sociology course. You'll learn that it's a real thing. I'll spell out specific examples for you.

White privilege is having generational wealth because your family after World War II was not forced into segregated, red-zoned neighborhoods. 

White privilege is using that wealth to get access to better schools and a better education because your family can afford to pay the high property taxes.

White privilege is using drug at the same rate as African Americans, but not being dispropotionately targeted by police.

White privilege is not being pulled over by police for driving a nice car while being black/latino.

White privilege is not getting your resume thrown out, when you're just as qualified as the next white applicant but are discriminated due to a foreign sounding name.

Those are just a few examples. Some are defensive about white privilege because they take it to mean that they haven't worked hard for what they earned. That is NOT what white privilege is. No one is saying you haven't earned what you've worked hard for. What we're saying is that there are conscious and subsconscious biases in society that give you certain advantages.

 

So American white privilege? I think this forum gets lost in topics like this because there are global users. And while I can see every example fitting the US, it doesn't fit as a template globally.



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Soundwave said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ABRlWybBqM

Yeah racial profiling doesn't exist. At all. lol.

Reality is people are petty, superficial. You get judged on the color of your skin on a daily basis all the time. 

i watched the entire video. lol that's pretty fucked up and disappointing. does this prove that white women are the real culprits who are hogging all the privilege? lol.

ok, but in all seriousness, youre right about something for once. people were racial profiling in this video. nobody should be engaging in this activity, but when the person was white, people were not as quick to call the police. that is an injustice. but are there any examples of somebody doing something completely innocent? ill give you a personal experience i had when i was 17. i had just got my first car and my dad sent me to go get a key copied. well, i went to OSH and it was my first time being in a hardware store like that by myself, so i didnt know where the fuck anything was. i ended up in the gardening section before i actually found where i was supposed to go, and i was literally stopped by somebody because i looked shady like i was going to steal something. the truth was that i was just lost and didnt know where the hell i was. 

another experience i had was that i wanted to work at the financial aid office at my school for a summer, and i was interviewed by a group of 4 hispanic women and 1 asian woman. i didnt think anything of it, but i left the interview feeling like i wasnt going to get the job because i wasnt the right demographic that they were looking for. you know when you do really well in an interview, and i felt great about it, but there was something in me that made me feel like i had to do that much better because i was a white male. its a shitty feeling. that was 3 years ago, and i take notice every time im in that office and they just dont hire white guys for whatever reason. im sure they apply since there are so many at my school, yet the people who work there are a very specific demographic. very curious indeed.



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PerturbedKitty said:
Soundwave said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ABRlWybBqM

Yeah racial profiling doesn't exist. At all. lol.

Reality is people are petty, superficial. You get judged on the color of your skin on a daily basis all the time. 

i watched the entire video. lol that's pretty fucked up and disappointing. does this prove that white women are the real culprits who are hogging all the privilege? lol.

ok, but in all seriousness, youre right about something for once. people were racial profiling in this video. nobody should be engaging in this activity, but when the person was white, people were not as quick to call the police. that is an injustice. but are there any examples of somebody doing something completely innocent? ill give you a personal experience i had when i was 17. i had just got my first car and my dad sent me to go get a key copied. well, i went to OSH and it was my first time being in a hardware store like that by myself, so i didnt know where the fuck anything was. i ended up in the gardening section before i actually found where i was supposed to go, and i was literally stopped by somebody because i looked shady like i was going to steal something. the truth was that i was just lost and didnt know where the hell i was. 

another experience i had was that i wanted to work at the financial aid office at my school for a summer, and i was interviewed by a group of 4 hispanic women and 1 asian woman. i didnt think anything of it, but i left the interview feeling like i wasnt going to get the job because i wasnt the right demographic that they were looking for. you know when you do really well in an interview, and i felt great about it, but there was something in me that made me feel like i had to do that much better because i was a white male. its a shitty feeling. that was 3 years ago, and i take notice every time im in that office and they just dont hire white guys for whatever reason. im sure they apply since there are so many at my school, yet the people who work there are a very specific demographic. very curious indeed.

 

People profile based on looks all the time, and your race is a key component of that.

This is even evident when people run into racially ambigious individuals, you can tell this confuses some people because they don't quite know how to "place" that person, I have a friend like this and he constantly gets asked "just curious, what are you?" all the time, lol. Like people will ask in a polite, nice way, but it also then asks the question ... "why does it matter?". Obviously it does. 

We'd be better off if we just admitted it rather than pretending it doesn't happen. 

Yes we have advanced in some ways, but we are still a fairly petty, superfical species in many, many other ways. Racial identity is still very much a core component of a person's identity. 



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MikeRox said:
Tigerlure said:

For someone who says they go to school, you must not be learning anything. Take a basic Sociology course. You'll learn that it's a real thing. I'll spell out specific examples for you.

White privilege is having generational wealth because your family after World War II was not forced into segregated, red-zoned neighborhoods. 

White privilege is using that wealth to get access to better schools and a better education because your family can afford to pay the high property taxes.

White privilege is using drug at the same rate as African Americans, but not being dispropotionately targeted by police.

White privilege is not being pulled over by police for driving a nice car while being black/latino.

White privilege is not getting your resume thrown out, when you're just as qualified as the next white applicant but are discriminated due to a foreign sounding name.

Those are just a few examples. Some are defensive about white privilege because they take it to mean that they haven't worked hard for what they earned. That is NOT what white privilege is. No one is saying you haven't earned what you've worked hard for. What we're saying is that there are conscious and subsconscious biases in society that give you certain advantages.

 

So American white privilege? I think this forum gets lost in topics like this because there are global users. And while I can see every example fitting the US, it doesn't fit as a template globally.

Yeah, I'm focusing on privilege in the US.





Lawlight said:
Areym said:
All I know is that if you are born white, straight and male, that's close to hitting the lottery in the US. Not a guaranteed to an super easy life, but a lot more doors are open to you.

As a hispanic male, I think there is some white privilege but not so extreme that is the cause for every minority's problems. I think of white privilege more in the sense that being white makes life generally easier. Whites are regarded or "viewed" as more educated, intelligent, and such here in the US, it's just (almost but not really) a fact.

You realise that white, straight males are the target of SJWs around the world, right? And they don't get special scholarships or awards.

Probably cause they don't really need to. Generally speaking, white families are more prosperous than black ones and can afford to give their children an education, at least from what i've seen. I go to university in Charlotte, NC, where a large part of the population is black but whites make up about 60 to 70 of the alumni. That probably means nothing to you, but it paints a picture to me.

Again, I don't see white privilage as being given everything on a silver platter. Hell, I don't even like the word "privilege." It's more like, whites just have it easier in some aspects of life based on some deep rooted and still present discrimination towards minorities, which is why the playing field is technically "evened out" for the rest of us. That's the way I see it, anyways. Granted, i have never faced discrimination personally.





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Yes there is. I'm white and I know I am privileged because of my whiteness. Therefore I have white privilege. Therefore white privilege exists.

End of discussion.



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PerturbedKitty said:
SpokenTruth said:

What was that I was saying before about the privelaged not knowing they are privelaged or seeing the struggle of those rows behind them?

In truth, I'm not going to be able to convince you here.  This kind of understanding isn't something that reveals itself on an Internet forum.  You'll have to do some objective research (willing to learn about it is often the hardest part of getting others to understand...I'm sure you can see that regardless of the topic).  You're a good person that wants to see people treated equally and that's noble.  We need more of that.  But we also need people to be willing to look at it one step closer.  And I'll admit, it's a damn tought thing to do.



Ok I see how this works. Because of my race and gender, my perspective doesn't mean shit lol. I have absolutely nothing of value to offer here.

Don't worry, even though what you're saying is something that would be incredibly offensive to most people, there is none taken here. Honestly, there isn't. 

But like I said, the obvious truth of disadvantage is not sufficient evidence for me just as "the obvious truth that there is a God" isn't sufficient evidence to convert an atheist. 

Well a quick Google search brings up this:

http://www.jbwtucker.com/ultimate-white-privilege-statistics/

And a brief literature search also throws up this paper from Stanford about the denial of racial privilege among white populations:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022103115000852

Make of that what you will.

OT: The data and evidence suggests you're wrong. Up to you if you want to read up on the topic and inform youself or just stay ignorant with a false opinion.



SpokenTruth said:
PerturbedKitty said:

No, I don't. "The obvious truth that racial minorities and women are disadvantaged" is not sufficient evidence for me to believe that it actually exists.

What was that I was saying before about the privelaged not knowing they are privelaged or seeing the struggle of those rows behind them?

In truth, I'm not going to be able to convince you here.  This kind of understanding isn't something that reveals itself on an Internet forum.  You'll have to do some objective research (willing to learn about it is often the hardest part of getting others to understand...I'm sure you can see that regardless of the topic).  You're a good person that wants to see people treated equally and that's noble.  We need more of that.  But we also need people to be willing to look at it one step closer.  And I'll admit, it's a damn tought thing to do.



The problem for people who want society to be equal but who strongly deny there's any sort of privilege is that failing to recognise a problem means never being able to actually achieve the sort of equality they want to see. Or more depressingly, they think society is operating at optimal equality already.

Also even more depressingly, people who think white privilege doesn't exist can only explain the positon of minorities occupying the negative socio-economic indicators in higher proportion (unemployment rates, imprisonment rates, poverty rates etc) as being the fault of that person's race or culture. Leading to the inevitable conclusion that certain races are inferior, hence racism. If you can't acknowledge that historical socio-economic oppression continues to have a contemporary effect then you can only conclude that there is something "wrong" with that racial minority for them to still be poor, criminal and unemployed in statistically higher numbers than the "successful" races. Same goes for women. If historical oppression of women does not continue to have a contemporary influence then the underachievement of women in various socio-economic factors leads to the conclusion that women are inferior.





“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

Jimi Hendrix