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bigtakilla on 24 January 2016
Pavolink said:
bigtakilla said:

 

If you're honestly saying Twilight Princess was the reason people bought a Wii you I would personally just laugh. Nintendo got lucky, but you can only bet on the long shot so many times. When it works you get the Wii, when it doesn't you get a Wii U, and honestly when you burn bridges along the way you get less than that.

I was not the one making the better joke believing TP was going to move "few GameCube millions" because the game. And if you really believe all the Wii sales were because Wii Sports then it is sad the state of the franchise that can only sell a couple of million copies.

 

Zelda HD is going to flop hard.

 

neither was I, the game would have sold a few more million on GC, but it would not have sold more Gamecube hardware.



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Soundwave on 24 January 2016
Wyrdness said:
Soundwave said:

 

Why doesn't Nintendo just make a $100 casual platform then? 

If casual gamers are so "good" and hardcore gamers are "bad", then just make a damn system for them and see if they show up. 

I can tell you something though ... if you're going to ask for even $10+ games, you're going to be in for a rude awakening. 

Even that new AppleTV which has casual games and a Wiimote like remote is not doing that great and that's with Apple's backing. Playing casual games on your TV is passe .... smart devices can go anywhere, they're just far more convienant to the life style of someone who's life isn't that centralized around playing some video games. 

 

Read up on some of Nintendo's comments regarding the Wii U, it was well above what they actually wanted to charge for it even the current President said he disagreed with the execution of how the platform was handled before launch. Believe me a cheaper platform is no doubt something they're aiming for with a more focused approach that actually accounts for all groups this time and last I check Tomodachi life cost more then $10. Casual gamers and non-gamers aren't the same group either.

Apple TV is not really a dedicated console even the remote is just that a remote and nothing close to a Wiimote, that's a terrible comparison to even bring up as it's primarily a device for services like Hulu, Netflix etc... It's a microconsole at best. 

 

The remote is just like a Wiimote and why would a casual care if its a "microconsole" (do they even know what that term means?). 

Casual gaming is actually wayyyyyyy bigger today than it ever was under Nintendo. It's just on a different (quite frankly better) form factor. 

Apple and Google like I said have taken it to heights Nintendo never could have dreamed of, it quite frankly has eclipsed core gaming in many ways. 

Clash of Clans is bigger than any new game IP on a Nintendo, MS, or Sony platform this generation, so is Boom Beach. So is Mobile Strike. So is Game Of War.

Angry Birds is getting a goddamn huge budget feature film. 

"Download now for free on the App Store" is the no.1 marketing phrase in gaming today, I heard it like 50 freaking times every week watching TV. Nintendo losing this audience was entirely predictable, a Wii or DS is boring device to a casual when compared to an iPhone which does 100 things a casual consumer would enjoy, a Wii or DS just plays games, and that isn't appealling to a casual when given the choice. Throw in free games and that's just the last kick in the balls to console casual gaming. 



Wyrdness on 24 January 2016
Soundwave said:

 

The remote is just like a Wiimote and why would a casual care if its a "microconsole" (do they even know what that term means?). 

Casual gaming is actually wayyyyyyy bigger today than it ever was under Nintendo. It's just on a different (quite frankly better) form factor. 

Apple and Google like I said have taken it to heights Nintendo never could have dreamed of, it quite frankly has eclipsed core gaming in many ways. 

Clash of Clans is bigger than any new game IP on a Nintendo, MS, or Sony platform this generation, so is Boom Beach. So is Mobile Strike. So is Game Of War.

"Download now for free on the App Store" is the no.1 marketing phrase in gaming today, I heard it like 50 freaking times every week watching TV. 

Casuals may not be informed but they aren't stupid, they'd know to go for a dedicated console then a TV box with very lite gaming features. No shit Sherlock casual gaming is bigger to day which is all the more reason Nintendo should have handled the situation better as they'd have a sizable chunk of that pie.

You know what other games people can play for free bloody facebook games has that stopped Steam successfully appealing to the same crowd with it's offerings? No, many of these people have this distinct taste for such games but will want something with a lot more meat on it and then the's the issue of quality control. I still remember in the PS2 era when people were saying free Facebook games would impact consoles and PCs because of their huge growth at the time.



Soundwave on 24 January 2016
Wyrdness said:
Soundwave said:

 

The remote is just like a Wiimote and why would a casual care if its a "microconsole" (do they even know what that term means?). 

Casual gaming is actually wayyyyyyy bigger today than it ever was under Nintendo. It's just on a different (quite frankly better) form factor. 

Apple and Google like I said have taken it to heights Nintendo never could have dreamed of, it quite frankly has eclipsed core gaming in many ways. 

Clash of Clans is bigger than any new game IP on a Nintendo, MS, or Sony platform this generation, so is Boom Beach. So is Mobile Strike. So is Game Of War.

"Download now for free on the App Store" is the no.1 marketing phrase in gaming today, I heard it like 50 freaking times every week watching TV. 

Casuals may not be informed but they aren't stupid, they'd know to go for a dedicated console then a TV box with very lite gaming features. No shit Sherlock casual gaming is bigger to day which is all the more reason Nintendo should have handled the situation better as they'd have a sizable chunk of that pie.

You know what other games people can play for free bloody facebook games has that stopped Steam successfully appealing to the same crowd with it's offerings? No, many of these people have this distinct taste for such games but will want something with a lot more meat on it and then the's the issue of quality control. I still remember in the PS2 era when people were saying free Facebook games would impact consoles and PCs because of their huge growth at the time.

 

Nintendo could have handled the situation better in some ways, but honestly giving away games for free was not really "competing" it was flat out a dirty tactic in traditional gaming terms. It's like being mad at a boxer for getting beat up by a wrestler ... a boxer is not trained to grapple or fight on the ground once the wrestler gets a hold of the boxer, it's game over. Apple/Google do not play by Nintendo/Sony/MS' rules. 

The traditional game makers have all had their lunch money taken from them by the smartphone/tablet boom (bye bye Sony portables, bye bye Microsoft Kinect too). 

There's nothing Nintendo could do once Apple basically allowed free/$1 games and Google too.

Wii Fit U is a far better game than Wii Fit, Nintendo Land is a great casual game, probably  a good deal better than any mini-game compilation they made on the Wii. Nintendogs + cats is better than the first one. I'm sure the new Brain Training 3DS is filled with lots of challenging brain teasers. None of it mattered. 

Was Facebook even a thing in the PS2 era?



Pavolink on 24 January 2016
bigtakilla said:
Pavolink said:

I was not the one making the better joke believing TP was going to move "few GameCube millions" because the game. And if you really believe all the Wii sales were because Wii Sports then it is sad the state of the franchise that can only sell a couple of million copies.

 

Zelda HD is going to flop hard.

 

neither was I, the game would have sold a few more million on GC, but it would not have sold more Gamecube hardware.

And somehow that is better than all the millions the game sold on Wii?





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Wyrdness on 24 January 2016
Soundwave said:

 

Nintendo could have handled the situation better in some ways, but honestly giving away games for free was not really "competing" it was flat out a dirty tactic in traditional gaming terms. It's like being mad at a boxer for getting beat up by a wrestler ... a boxer is not trained to grapple or fight on the ground. Apple/Google do not play by Nintendo/Sony/MS' rules. 

The traditional game makers have all had their lunch money taken from them by the smartphone/tablet boom (bye bye Sony portables, bye bye Microsoft Kinect too). 

There's nothing Nintendo could do once Apple basically allowed free/$1 games and Google too. 

Was Facebook even a thing in the PS2 era?

Facebook launched in February 2004.

The traditional game makers hardly catered to them after 2011, this crowd went to the only place that does, free games and apps were around with the DS and Wii, the traditional mob just discarded the casuals and non gamers so they've been forced onto mobile, the only place that caters to them.





jonathanalis on 24 January 2016

release zelda on wii U this year, and 2 years latter, release on NX.
i see no problem on this at all.



Soundwave on 24 January 2016
spurgeonryan said:
Hiku said:
spurgeonryan said:

Since when is buying a console like playing the lottery? If it was some knockoff that I picked up from the internet then I would be gambling. A 10 dollar movie is a gamble. 330 dollars on a system from a reputable company is not a gamble.

So you are saying that if a system does mediocre and they stop supporting it early that we should "gamble" on the next one?

bad odds my friend.

It's always a gamble to buy a new console. No one is saying you "should" gamble on it, but rather that you need to realize that it is a gamble.
They don't guarantee you any games beyond the ones they announce. And even then, they some times don't deliver on that regard.

Don't confuse "expectations" with gurantees or entitlement.
You made an investment. You don't always get the return you're hoping for on an investement.

I don't think Nintendo fear losing their existing audience for a few reasons. For one, like Rol described, many of them are like abused wives, and will keep coming back no matter what as long as they put out a new Zelda, 3D Mario, etc. But on top of that, you have to take risks to win. In this situattion, do you think Nintendo are content with only selling 13m per console cycle?
I really don't think so. I think they could invest their money in much more lucrative things than that. So their current fanbase isn't as valuable to them as some might think.
Have they even earned back the billions they spent for R&D for the WiiU? Who knows. But even if they have, they're not in this industry to make the least amount of money on their investments as possible, when they know the potential is much higher.

That's not to say that they shouldn't still support their failed console to a degree. And they've probably done that. But people need to understand that it will be proportional to the situation they're in. The losses they're willing to take will depend on this.

Some people are demanding an exclusize Zelda game becasue "every other Nintendo console got it". Well, this is not every other Nintendo console. This is their by far worst selling console ever. Some people don't realize that their ideal dream scenario won't always be realized no matter how bad the situation turns out.

 

I do not care if Zelda is exclusive to the Wii U. But after "30 years" wink wink, of giving us quality titles I do not think it is gambling to buy a system with a company that I trust. Sure, they could have sold me a 330 dollar system and only released the games that they announced before launch. But is that a company anyone wants to support? Seriously? There is no gambling, if you cannot be a company that gives you a quality way of gaming life, then you should not be selling consoles. The Wii U has not made any friends, but as long as they do right by us, I for one will continue on the journey. What does do right by us mean?I do not know, I will know when I feel it has been done and tell you.

 

Maybe don't buy a console at launch then? Is there some gun to people's heads forcing them to buy a console straight away? Wait a few years, and you'll get a matured library where you can gauge if the available games appeal to you or not. 

But the bottom line is as of right now if you like Mario, Mario Kart, Zelda, Metroid, Smash Brothers, Splatoon, Pikmin, DKC, etc. etc. the only place to play those games is a Nintendo console so to me every Nintendo console is more than worth it. 

What the fuck does $300 over five years even buy you these days? For me it's well worth it for Nintendo games, that's never really been my issue with the company. 



bigtakilla on 24 January 2016
Pavolink said:
bigtakilla said:

 

neither was I, the game would have sold a few more million on GC, but it would not have sold more Gamecube hardware.

And somehow that is better than all the millions the game sold on Wii?

It is when now when a game is on a new console is pushed back the first conclusion is it is coming to the next console, Direct evidence of peoples lack of confidence in Nintendo's hardware.





Cloudman on 24 January 2016
Wyrdness said:
Cloudman said:
I just don't really get this... What GC fans felt they were betrayed by the success of the Wii being non-gaming people? Nintendo still gave games the core audience wanted on the Wii, and those turned out to be successful as well. Gamecube may have not been so successful, but Ninten still gave their base good games. Ninten has been treating their base well (for the most part). And most people I think are okay with Zelda U being cross gen. Not many will feel betrayed if they can still play it on the Wii U, and if Ninten continues to make the games their fans want, as well as new excellent titles, on the NX then fans will buy it, and not because they are sheep, haha... Honestly I don't know what kind of Ninten fan you are trying to describe. I don't know many who are like that...

And who considers pleasing non-consumers offensive, and how is that even possible..? I also feel the Ninten base feels they deserve something not because they are fans, but because they bought the console, and that goes with any base. When you buy something, you're trusting the hardware maker to provide the software and services to warrant the purchase. If that isn't reached, then you just lose trust, which hurts that company. That's how I feel why the Ninten base feels it deserves to get as much as they can.

Bottom line: Being a Wii U owner may not make us the most important, but we are still pretty important. If the fans didn't buy the console, who else would? And I don't see how they can't please the Ninten fans and other consumers as well. They can very well still do that.

 

Through out the Wii's run the was a group who carried that view despite still being given the games they wanted, the were even developers adding to this with Cliify B's brother being one of the people scared of the influx of non gamers being catered to with one of the dumbest statements made in gaming history.

What it comes down to and what Rol is saying is that Nintendo will still release the games you want in future but their approach as a company is best suited to what brings them the most success not what makes you personally happy.

I learned quite a bit from your post, like I had no idea Cliffy B had a brother... I'm surprised people felt that way despite Ninten having a success on their hands along with some great games, even developers. I guess it was something that never bothered me at the time. I was happy with games like Smash and Mario Kart, and got to try out games that made some good use of the wiimote, like Trauma Center and Smooth Moves. I guess some people just weren't happy with the route Ninten went with the Wii.

Though now I can't help but wonder, what would Ninten need to do to make their personal fans happy...? Or gamers even? I guess for gamers, it would be a standard powerful console, but Nintendo fans? I dunno.. I've been happy with all the hardware they have made, so unless they do something weird like make VR a primary function of the NX there isn't much they can do to turn me away from that...





 

              

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