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Which VR headset do you plan on buying?

Oculus Rift 13 4.13%
 
HTC Vive 9 2.86%
 
PSVR 197 62.54%
 
Undecided but will probably buy one 31 9.84%
 
Undecided but probably won't buy one 13 4.13%
 
Won't be buying a VR headset 52 16.51%
 
Total:315
Baryonyx on 10 January 2016

I don't see the point of Psvr to be high end since the Ps4 isn't a high end machine.... Jeeez



 

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ABTR on 10 January 2016

xbone has hololulens but is an early stage and is far way from what we see on videos and e3 but definatly is more indresting than VR
Also with oculus and a xbone you can virtual be in a room to virtual play the xbone games inside that room that is insinde on oculus that you are play on your room and your tv in real life....yeah.... that.....i can't find that video where is it?



 

 

bowserthedog on 10 January 2016
sabvre42 said:
bowserthedog said:
sabvre42 said:
bowserthedog said:
sabvre42 said:

Eh -- this is only partially true. The OR has a screen per eye and at a resolution that's about 12% higher.

However, the OR also is a peripheral device for the PC rather than an actual platform. They make ALL their money on hardware sales and therefore OR will run with higher margins (same problem with Steam Box).

The PSVR will be probably be $299-399 vs OR @ $599. It will be $100 cheaper off the git go, just because of the platform royalties Sony expects to recoup on software. An additional $100-200 will be based on actual components (Sony can buy components cheaper too.... don't forget they are a longtime hardware manufacturer).

 

Sony will only get more royalties if they sell to people who otherwise weren't going to purchase a ps4.  I already have a ps4, I already buy many games for it and i already pay for psn plus. Once I buy a PSVR (which i plan to pre-order) I'm not likely going to start spending more money on games then i was before. I already buy plenty.  I'll just be more selective when purchasing non vr games then before becuase I'll be buying vr games as well. With Oculus all the money they make off selling games in their store is new money.

It doesn't matter if someone buys the game just for the PS4 or buys it for the PSVR -- they get platform royalties. If they sell the hardware at cost -- it will be a net win either way.  Keep in mind that Sony pictures will start producing VR experiences in addition to the actual games soon enough. 

If they establish a foothold in VR (and its successful) they can have another leg up on both Xbox and Nintendo), and if they can beat the competition this could be a nother bluray vs HDDVD situation.

Long term it's a wise move for Sony but I think it also comes with caveats.  In the near terms they may lose money on the venture if they sell psvr at let's say a 50 to 100 dollar loss. Wheras with Oculus if they sell oculus at a 50 to 100 dollar loss they will make that money back quickly with the sale of vr games. Like I said I'd be buying games on ps4 regardless of buying the headset. But in the long run you're  right sony can be a leader in vr and they will likely sell even more ps4's as a result of the venture and having the best value proposition in high end vr.  At the same time though there will be a lot of people who are against VR who might want to move away from PS4 to Xbone or NX if they feel Sony is making less first party games for the tv console experience.   Similar to those who moved away from Nintendo because they didn't like gimmicky motion party type of games despite the existance of many great first party games which were not gimmicky or party games on the wii.

 

As far as I'm aware, OR is a device and not a platform. OR does not get royalties from software.... you have it backwards.

 

OR has their own store which is a competitor to Steam. Games sold in the OR store are only playable on the OR device.  Are you suggesting OR doesn't charge a fee for games sold in it's store just like everyone else?



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Chevinator123 on 10 January 2016
Normchacho said

Yes.

Yes.

Maybe? But it's not anything that's been announced yet, and it would be tough to make it work if there was.

If you can't decide on which to go with, a good place to start would be seeing if your PC can run the Rift.

https://www.oculus.com/en-us/blog/oculus-rift-pre-orders-now-open-first-shipments-march-28/

About halfway down you'll see something that says "Oculus Compatibility Tool" you can download it and it will tell you if your PC will work.

Overall, I think Oculus will see faster support for non gaming aspects of VR and will evolve faster than PSVR will. But, it will also be more expensive and I expect Sonys exclusives to be better.

Sonys VR wont be PC compatible? Is this confirmed somewhere? Big misstep for Sony if true.





Zoombael on 10 January 2016
Chevinator123 said:
Normchacho said

Yes.

Yes.

Maybe? But it's not anything that's been announced yet, and it would be tough to make it work if there was.

If you can't decide on which to go with, a good place to start would be seeing if your PC can run the Rift.

https://www.oculus.com/en-us/blog/oculus-rift-pre-orders-now-open-first-shipments-march-28/

About halfway down you'll see something that says "Oculus Compatibility Tool" you can download it and it will tell you if your PC will work.

Overall, I think Oculus will see faster support for non gaming aspects of VR and will evolve faster than PSVR will. But, it will also be more expensive and I expect Sonys exclusives to be better.

Sonys VR wont be PC compatible? Is this confirmed somewhere? Big misstep for Sony if true.

 

Not a misstep. Certainly not a big one. With a successful PS VR the PS4 becomes an even more important pivotal point for development of videogames and VR content in general. As a reminder: Sony is planing to sell PS VR at break even, making only or mainly money with software. Not to speak when it's not going as planned, and they're forced to reduce prices, selling it at a loss. Thus, it'd be a mistake if Sony makes it compatible, because they would only lose money with every PS VR HMD hooked up to a PC, not gaining anything. 



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Chazore on 10 January 2016
Chevinator123 said:
 

Sonys VR wont be PC compatible? Is this confirmed somewhere? Big misstep for Sony if true.

It's not really that big of a misstep since their main focus in the console space and not PC. Besides even if theydid bother, they would still be going up against 2 other VR devices and then in the future a few more.





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Chevinator123 on 10 January 2016
Zoombael said

Not a misstep. Certainly not a big one. With a successful PS VR the PS4 becomes an even more important pivotal point for development of videogames and VR content in general. As a reminder: Sony is planing to sell PS VR at break even, making only or mainly money with software. Not to speak when it's not going as planned, and they're forced to reduce prices, selling it at a loss. Thus, it'd be a mistake if Sony makes it compatible, because they would only lose money with every PS VR HMD hooked up to a PC, not gaining anything. 

Ah true. Didn't think about that.





ArnoldRimmer on 10 January 2016
Johnw1104 said:
could someone please clarify this for me:

Will the Sony VR only be compatinle with the PS4?

Forget everyone who simply answers "No", they're just clueless.

The truth is: SONY will of course market PSVR as a PS4-only device, but it's just a matter of time (I predict: less than two months) until PSVR can be used with PCs as well.



Lafiel on 10 January 2016
Chevinator123 said:
Normchacho said

Yes.

Yes.

Maybe? But it's not anything that's been announced yet, and it would be tough to make it work if there was.

If you can't decide on which to go with, a good place to start would be seeing if your PC can run the Rift.

https://www.oculus.com/en-us/blog/oculus-rift-pre-orders-now-open-first-shipments-march-28/

About halfway down you'll see something that says "Oculus Compatibility Tool" you can download it and it will tell you if your PC will work.

Overall, I think Oculus will see faster support for non gaming aspects of VR and will evolve faster than PSVR will. But, it will also be more expensive and I expect Sonys exclusives to be better.

Sonys VR wont be PC compatible? Is this confirmed somewhere? Big misstep for Sony if true.

PSVR uses the Playstation Camera, which has a proprietary connector, Sony surely won't produce/license adapters for that

apart from that Sony will offer the headset pretty much at the cost they get them to retailers (production, shipping, duties/taxes, retailer cut etc), so they need to make money with software, but they won't see a dime from software sold on PC

and developing and updating PC drivers for a variety of systems would be a cost factor on top of that, so it's very apparent that it's not in Sony's interest to make PSVR PC compatible

personally I would definitely prefer a headset I can use for all of my platforms, which unfortunately won't (officially) happen for gen1 VR, but I can see it happening in the future if PS Now takes off on smart devices/pcs (and connections become fast enough to stream VR games)



Conina on 10 January 2016
bowserthedog said:
sabvre42 said:

As far as I'm aware, OR is a device and not a platform. OR does not get royalties from software.... you have it backwards.

OR has their own store which is a competitor to Steam. Games sold in the OR store are only playable on the OR device.  Are you suggesting OR doesn't charge a fee for games sold in it's store just like everyone else?

Most OR-compatible games will be also available on Steam or in other digital stores:

If I had an Oculus Rift, I would probably buy most VR-games on Steam and only the few exclusive titles in the Oculus store.