The Fury said:
Do you think Ghost Obi-Wan haunted Vader for a bit? For the lols? |
You know he did!
The Fury said:
Do you think Ghost Obi-Wan haunted Vader for a bit? For the lols? |
You know he did!
amp316 said:
There's a simple reason why Vader doesn't realize that Leia isn't his daughter. It's because regardless of what Lucas wants anyone to believe, he thought that Star Wars was going to be a one time deal. It was like an old Buck Rodgers or Flash Gordon serial that you were entering in the middle. Thus Episode IV. I'm pretty sure that he didn't know that Leia was Darth's daughter at that point. Leia shows sadness and panic when Tarkin says that he is going to blow up Alderaan. After the deed is done, she shows her resolve by not cracking. In other words, Carrie Fisher is a pretty bad actress. Always has been. Once again. See paragraph one. You got me there. That was pretty stupid. All that being said; many of the problems in Episode IV occur after watching the next two installments. The reason being, that they weren't intended in the first place. Was it perfect? No. But I couldn't pick apart and destroy it like I (and many others in this thread) have with Episode VII. |
I don't think any of that is an excuse. Lucas knew he was making sequels and would have known he was putting a whole bunch of plot holes when he made the next two films. The whole of the original trilogy can be picked apart and destroyed and far worse than anything anyone has said about Force Awakens.
For Empire and Return:
http://movieplotholes.com/star-wars-the-empire-strikes-back.html
http://www.movieplotholes.com/star-wars-return-of-the-jedi.html
There's quite an exhaustive list. The Force Awakens is really not that bad when you put it into perspective.
| Sharpryno said: Never seen episode 2 3 4 5 6. Just the first of the new ones. Hated it. |
That's a shame, especially given that you only watched what most consider the weakest of the movies (in close competition with episode 2). I rewatched all six movies recently, and the original trilogy still holds up quite well. Episode 4 is the weakest of the trilogy in my opinion, but it is still a very good movie in its own right. Yes, the scene between Obi Wan and Vader is one of the weakest bits of action in the entire Star Wars franchise, but you're missing out if you enjoyed Force Awakens, yet refuse to watch the original trilogy (or Revenge of the Sith, for that matter, which is a decent movie in its own right).
Do people have too much nostalgia attached to the original trilogy? I don't think so. As a whole, these movies are still pretty damn good, ESPECIALLY Empire Strikes Back, which remains the best movie in the franchise. Do they have too much nostalgia for episode 4? Probably. The acting is hoakie, and a lot of the elements of the narrative and special effects that were so novel and innovative at the time won't seem nearly as great or groundbreaking now, but it still remains a good movie that is well worth watching. Even if Luke is kinda whiney and insufferable.
True story. I told my co-workers what I thought of TFA when I saw it. Out of the blue, one of them came up to me yesterday and said, "You were right. Star Wars did suck!"
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| amp316 said: True story. I told my co-workers what I thought of TFA when I saw it. Out of the blue, one of them came up to me yesterday and said, "You were right. Star Wars did suck!" |
What an achievement!
I thought TFA was a pretty decent movie! Maybe those who were disappointed by it should lower their expectations for Episode VIII, just saying.
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In my opinion, The Force Awakens is an awesome Star Wars movie. I'm looking forward to the rest of the sequel trilogy and the anthology Star Wars movies.

93% on Rotten Tomatoes does say something about the film. Those aren't just Star Wars fan, but movie critics. As I lifelong fan I absolutely loved it and have seen it 4 times. Several other friends have seen it 2-3 times, but I do have 1 friend that was very meh on it and another that thought it was "fine" but wasn't blown away. I can certainly understand someone not liking it, but I definitely think you're in the minority.
I also think it's an awesome set-up to a really great trilogy. Rey's story arc, Kylo Ren's story arc, more Luke. I can't wait!
padib said:
You're being completely inconsistent here. So Luke wins to Darth in a swordfight despite his lack of swordfight experience because Luke is strong with the force, but Kylo Ren comes to a draw with Rey because he is bad at swordfighting? If the force is more important than swordfighting skills to determine the winner, why did Kylo struggle against Finn? Why was Rey so strong despite her lack of exposure to her use of the force? Also, amp is a guy that pays attention, perhaps you didn't pay attention to him. |
I'm not. Two different thoughts not intended to be put together.
1) I said Kylo Ren was stong in force as it was apparent from his first scene, yet a weak swordsman as all of his scenes with saber he was simply hack-n-slash.
2) For those that say Kylo Ren was superior with a saber, I stated this is not a new thing in SW as Luke beat Vader. Vader is known to be amazing with a saber and Luke would still be very weak in comparison due to no real training.
I also did not say force was more important than saber skills. What I said is that without a Jedi academy, who would Luke and all the new Jedi have to harness great swordsmanship skills from? While they could continue to learn more and more about the Force through meditation/ghosts of pasts, it would be harder to refine swordsmanship I would think.
As for Kylo Ren's battle with Finn and Rey... ya'll are just too narrow minded and didn't really pay attention to the movie.
1) Kylo Ren was emotionally broken when he killed his father. It was absolutely obvious how mentally unstable he was since he A) found out Rey was, in his own words, very powerful with the force and B) started to see his father again/struggle with light/dark paths renewed.
2) He got shot in the stomach by a VERY powerful weapon. The fact he lived at all says a ton about his capabilities.
3) He didn't struggle with Finn. He immediately put Rey out cold for a short time, then toyed with Finn until he cut Finn down.
4) THEN Rey happened to wake up and get a surprise on Kylo as well as use a bit of force which brought up his fears (something he stated he had of her to Snoke) and by then his injury was getting far worse so he wasn't fighting or thinking well at all. With all of that, Rey still barely got a couple good shots on him and was simply separated by a tremor.
5) He did not lose, he fell down. Its more than likely that he would have overcome her in the long-run.
You all are just a bunch of rosie tinted youth glasses who will never let anything be on par with the orignal trilogy. This was an amazing SW movie. I can't wait for the other four to come.
I've officially decided this was my 2nd favorite of all.
| superchunk said: I'm not. Two different thoughts not intended to be put together. 1) I said Kylo Ren was stong in force as it was apparent from his first scene, yet a weak swordsman as all of his scenes with saber he was simply hack-n-slash. I also did not say force was more important than saber skills. What I said is that without a Jedi academy, who would Luke and all the new Jedi have to harness great swordsmanship skills from? While they could continue to learn more and more about the Force through meditation/ghosts of pasts, it would be harder to refine swordsmanship I would think. As for Kylo Ren's battle with Finn and Rey... ya'll are just too narrow minded and didn't really pay attention to the movie. You all are just a bunch of rosie tinted youth glasses who will never let anything be on par with the orignal trilogy. This was an amazing SW movie. I can't wait for the other four to come. I've officially decided this was my 2nd favorite of all. |
I too think this is the 2nd best Star Wars, only Empire beats it. Youre spot on on all your points, I only disagree with 5, Kylo gets struck down and disarmed I consider that losing. Its very easy to deconstruct any movie nitpicking it scene by scene (Movie Sins on youtube do this all the time) but thats not how cinema work, its about the overall emjoyment and how the plot is moving foward as a whole, a movie is not just a colection of scenes its an intricate puzzle of many elements that create an experience.
Another thing to add, Kylos lightsabers beam is very flickery, I tough that could mean it was badly built but that the most probable was that it was a design choice to make it look cool and all. On the script that was released however its stated there his lightsaber is kinda badly built and isnt at very stable, another prove Kylo Ren isnt at all that well trained (kinda like Luke wasnt when he build his own saber, he cut a lot of corners making his green one, it isnt a super well put together lightsaber).