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amp316 said:
Vyse_Blue_Rogue said:

Agree completely. How on earth did they get away with that. The storyline is identical to Episode 4. It should've been called 'Another Hope'. It felt more like a remake than a sequel.
Abysmal end fight too. How did Finn stand up to Ren for even a second in a lightsaber duel. Finn, an inexperienced Storm trooper from the sanitation department who's only experience previously with a lightsaber was a brief duel he lost to a storm trooper with a cattle prod. Yet he's able to give Ren a good fight. Ridiculous.

Edit - Meant to say 'Ren', not 'Rey'

The sad thing is that this description of what happens is pretty much spot on.



Kylo Ren is inexperienced himself, the way he fight shows that, the way Snoke talks to him show it as well, hes strong with the force but inexperienced. Also he was at the lowest point when he fought Finn after what had just happened, he is shown as a conflicted charcter btween the dark and the light and at that moment the conflict was at its peak, obviously making him loose focus, wich allowed for the blaster shot to land for once.

Stormtroopers have hand to hand combat training, and he is not a stormtrooper from the sanitation, he was obviously a soldier like everyone else, he was in Jakku after all shooting things, however during the building of the Starkiller Base, he worked in sanitation (meaning he didnt realy know how the thing worked and just winged it on the Ressistence meeting). Also Finn is fighting to protect Rey and he may or may not be force sensitive, there are a few hints he might be kinda liek Leia was, not a full on jedi but conected with the Force. And Ren was injuried and won the duel, so I dont realy see the problem.

To adress another common topic some ppl are beatching about, why the 1st Order build a Death Star like weapon and not something else ? Maybe because they are using the Empire technology and they ahd the plans for the Death Satr, therefore it was an obvious move to get what they already had and improve on it, rather than coming up with an entire new tech. They are also using improved Tie Fighters, the stormtroopers use very similar armor to those of the Empire etc. So in short its Empire tech it makes sense.





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elektranine said:

You are the delusional one if you think that movie reviews much like video game reviews are not bought and paid for. It may not be direct cash payments but major movie/video game producers will routinely offer all expenses paid luxury vacations in exchange for glowing reviews/previews/hype.



Reviews are only bought off when a movie gets good ones, when a big budget movie comes out and revies bash ti to death no one says anythign, but every single blockbuster and AAA videogame that egts good reviews bought the reviewers. Just stop youre making a fool out of yourself, these conspiracy theorys are ridiculous.

Also Disneys reach might be infinity cause the movie has 8.9 from viewer score on IMDB and 93% aproval ratting from viewers on Rotten Tomatoes, this is one scary company to be able to buy everyone who watched the movie as well as critics.



DakonBlackblade said:

Stormtroopers have hand to hand combat training, and he is not a stormtrooper from the sanitation, he was obviously a soldier like everyone else, he was in Jakku after all shooting things, however during the building of the Starkiller Base, he worked in sanitation (meaning he didnt realy know how the thing worked and just winged it on the Ressistence meeting).

 

Finn himself admits that Jakku was his very first combat experience.



Wright said:
DakonBlackblade said:

Stormtroopers have hand to hand combat training, and he is not a stormtrooper from the sanitation, he was obviously a soldier like everyone else, he was in Jakku after all shooting things, however during the building of the Starkiller Base, he worked in sanitation (meaning he didnt realy know how the thing worked and just winged it on the Ressistence meeting).

 

Finn himself admits that Jakku was his very first combat experience.

Ye hes like 20 years old isnt he, all he had was training. Ppl say the sanitation thing to imply he couldnt knwo how to fight for lack of training, when it was not at all liek that. He was an everyday stormtrooper training and getting brainshawed, whose job during the Starkiller Base construction was to work in sanitation. The way the 1st order threats the stormtroopers theyre basicaly theyre slaves, they dont even have names, so they train and do whatever its asked of them until theyre ready for combat, Finn was ready for combat but the brainwashing didnt quite work.





DakonBlackblade said:

Ye hes like 20 years old isnt he, all he had was training. Ppl say the sanitation thing to imply he couldnt knwo how to fight for lack of training, when it was not at all liek that. He was an everyday stormtrooper training and getting brainshawed, whose job during the Starkiller Base construction was to work in sanitation. The way the 1st order threats the stormtroopers theyre basicaly theyre slaves, they dont even have names, so they train and do whatever its asked of them until theyre ready for combat, Finn was ready for combat but the brainwashing didnt quite work.


Even if he had years of training, that still doesn't explain how a Stormtrooper can hold a Sith with basically zero lightsaber training. Sure, you could tell me J.J. plans something for Finn on the next movies, but damn.



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Wright said:

Even if he had years of training, that still doesn't explain how a Stormtrooper can hold a Sith with basically zero lightsaber training. Sure, you could tell me J.J. plans something for Finn on the next movies, but damn.

Kylo Ren is not a sith, hes someone strong with the Force (very much so) without proper training, he had  a bit of training under Luke than its unsure how much proper training he got from Snoke, judging by what Snoke says, not much.  And he is internally conflicted and was on the most conflicted moment when he faced Finn, and he was injuried and kinda wandering wtfk was going on with Rey, and Finn was fighting for hos life and Reys life throwing everything he got with reckless abandom. And Ren wins the duel, the injury he sustains is because he kinda drops his guard after besting Finn, also known as underestimating his oponent.



DakonBlackblade said:

Kylo Ren is not a sith, hes someone strong with the Force (very much so) without proper training, he had  a bit of training under Luke than its unsure how much proper training he got from Snoke, judging by what Snoke says, not much.  And he is internally conflicted and was on the most conflicted moment when he faced Finn, and he was injuried and kinda wandering wtfk was going on with Rey, and Finn was fighting for hos life and Reys life throwing everything he got with reckless abandom. And Ren wins the duel, the injury he sustains is because he kinda drops his guard after besting Finn, also known as underestimating his oponent.


Kylo Ren erradicated Luke's Jedi Training place, which is what forced Luke into exile in the first place. He's far from being someone without proper training, he destroyed Luke's very foundation and all its apprentices. He can stop a blaster shot mid-way, while focusing on other things; he can mentally torture and manipulate people, and most important, he's able to throw with the force someone stronger than him and knock them out.

I get it, J.J. wanted to add some classy sword combat, but it was just dumb that Finn was able to hold as he did, especially when a Stormtrooper beat him to a pulp earlier. The explanation that "Kylo was hurt" doesn't cut it to me, honestly.



Wright said:
DakonBlackblade said:

Kylo Ren is not a sith, hes someone strong with the Force (very much so) without proper training, he had  a bit of training under Luke than its unsure how much proper training he got from Snoke, judging by what Snoke says, not much.  And he is internally conflicted and was on the most conflicted moment when he faced Finn, and he was injuried and kinda wandering wtfk was going on with Rey, and Finn was fighting for hos life and Reys life throwing everything he got with reckless abandom. And Ren wins the duel, the injury he sustains is because he kinda drops his guard after besting Finn, also known as underestimating his oponent.


Kylo Ren erradicated Luke's Jedi Training place, which is what forced Luke into exile in the first place. He's far from being someone without proper training, he destroyed Luke's very foundation and all its apprentices. He can stop a blaster shot mid-way, while focusing on other things; he can mentally torture and manipulate people, and most important, he's able to throw with the force someone stronger than him and knock them out.

I get it, J.J. wanted to add some classy sword combat, but it was just dumb that Finn was able to hold as he did, especially when a Stormtrooper beat him to a pulp earlier. The explanation that "Kylo was hurt" doesn't cut it to me, honestly.

 


We really don't know what happened with Luke and Kylo.



I bet the Wii U would sell more than 15M LTD by the end of 2015. He bet it would sell less. I lost.

The bit where Finn tells Solo he has no idea how to drop the shields, he's just there to rescue Rey. Yeah, rescue her and take her where, back to the Rebel planet that is about to be destroyed by the Death Star 3 in 30 minutes? Somehow escape in another X-Wing and flee to God knows where... Plus that thing isn't exactly small, how does he expect to find her, let alone escape with her after. Then Solo convinces him they must lower the shields to save the Galaxy, but they don't know how, I'm sure they'll just figure it out. Oh look, in the gigantic Death Star 3 they immediately just happen to run into Finn's old commander who just so happens to be able to lower the shields. But how to make her (it sounded like a her) drop them. Hmm,. oh yes, hold a gun to her head and make her. How original. But wait, wouldn't lowering the shields lead to the commander Storm troopers death anyway, when the Death Star 3 is destroyed? Nevermind, lets lower it anyway........Storytelling at it's very worst.



amp316 said:
theprof00 said:
I'm confused though. All those things you're pointing out are also problems with the original star wars. Er hem, reasons why the original star wars were better than the new three.
Because
1. Nothing is explained. The characters in the movie know the references, they don't need to be explained everything. There is very little actually explained in the originals, they are just referenced. This was painful to watch though, in the new three, when everything was explained down to the minute detail. It was so self-referential, it totally killed the vibe.
2. Everything in the new three was so painfully choreographed. The light saber fighting was so plainly over the top and pointless. It was basically, let's put as many lightsabers on the screen as possible, and give them moves like colorguard cheerleaders. It was terrible. The only one who came off naturally was purple saber black guy. Obi wan and skywalker were like friggin ballerinas. You know what was cool? The fight scene in return of the jedi at the end. The cinematography, the dark background horizontal shot with very few moves, but a lot of passion.
3. I haven't seen the new one so I can't comment, but yeah, cameos really piss me off too. Either put them as minor characters in the movie or don't put them in at all. I hate short scene cameos like that. It's bullshit self-referential garbage.

1.  In a New Hope we learn about Luke's father a little bit.  He was a great pilot, fought in the Clone Wars, and was a Jedi.  Also, we see his aunt and uncle slaughtered by stormtroopers so a little background is given.  Rey collects junk in order to eat.  That's all we learn about her.  

2.  I can understand why you think that the prequel trilogy duels were too choreographed.  I personally liked them, but that's a matter of taste.  I also loved the mood set in the original three as you did.  They weren't as ballet as you said, but even in A New Hope  they make it look like Obi-Wan and Vader are proficient in a strong two handed sword fighting style.  In this one it looks like it's two kids in the backyard whailing away on each other with those nerf stick thingys ( I don't know what they are called). 

 



We know Rey's parents have abandoned her, and that was a long long time ago judging by the number of days she has marked. There was also that flash back sequence when she was abandoned. So hearing obi wan say a couple sentences about luke's father is a deeper backstory than seeing a 2 second flashback?

What?