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noname2200 on 03 December 2015
retroking1981 said:
noname2200 said:
retroking1981 said:
When was Nintendo last cool?

The Wii, no? Unless we're limiting the pool of folks whose opinions count, anyways.


Even though the Wii was the leader in sales overall for its generation I really don't think it was the most popular.

Thats sounds dumb but as well as the Wii sold its sales fell in later life and got overtaken by both 360 and PS3 on a weekly basis, that doesn't happen to the most popular console. Wii wasn't the legacy system of its generation.

Imo the most popular consoles have been:

 

  • Atari VCS
  • NES
  • SNES
  • PS
  • PS2

 

Last gen its hard to say, I'd go for PS3 although its close with the 360. They've both been supported longer and have higher software sales than Wii.

They're simply 'cooler'. Its common in pop culture for the Wii to be made fun of, after a huge 3 years it became a bit of an embarrassing joke.

I concede that the Wii lost steam towards the end of the generation, but I think you're forgetting or understating the impact it had during the majority of its life. Even leaving sales aside - which I don't agree is wise or necessary - the system had more cultural penetration than any system I can recall since the NES. The examples are too numerous to list, but I'd point to the 2008 Oscars as something that is inconceivable for the PS3, 360, or just about any other modern console.



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pastro243 on 03 December 2015

"It was the begining of people laughing at Nintendo for offering more gameplay-centric experiences which made heavy use of colors and were fun to play"

Yeah, because the PS1 didnt have any games like these(?)

Playstation won not just because they were more "mature", they won because the console offered quality and a huge diversity of genres. Thats why Xbox ("mature" image) has never managed to match the success of PS1 or PS2



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Dr.Henry_Killinger on 03 December 2015
retroking1981 said:
noname2200 said:
retroking1981 said:
When was Nintendo last cool?

The Wii, no? Unless we're limiting the pool of folks whose opinions count, anyways.


Even though the Wii was the leader in sales overall for its generation I really don't think it was the most popular.

Thats sounds dumb but as well as the Wii sold its sales fell in later life and got overtaken by both 360 and PS3 on a weekly basis, that doesn't happen to the most popular console. Wii wasn't the legacy system of its generation.

Imo the most popular consoles have been:

 

  • Atari VCS
  • NES
  • SNES
  • PS
  • PS2

 

Last gen its hard to say, I'd go for PS3 although its close with the 360. They've both been supported longer and have higher software sales than Wii.

They're simply 'cooler'. Its common in pop culture for the Wii to be made fun of, after a huge 3 years it became a bit of an embarrassing joke.

Popularity varies with region and within those regions by demographic.

Technically demographics themselves vary by region, but we assume they aren't that different based on region and generalize them together.

For instance, a gamer (non-casual) in the U.S is definetly distinct from a UK or Japanese Gamer, but they are similar enough that we tend to make generalizations about all gamers.

At the same time, without knowledge of how another culture actually operate such assumptions can just as easily be wrong.

For example, here in the U.S, its commonly held that the Wii sold most to casuals, but that can easily be very different abroad.

 

The Wii selling a lot less later in life has more to do with its legs as a platform, software attach rate, and end of life support.



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pastro243 on 03 December 2015
Goodnightmoon said:
Srassy said:


I'm not disappointed. :)  You always were the most defensive of the Nintendo users here.

Right.  I've looked up the software attach rate of both consoles.  Guess what?  Both 10!  So if most people bought it as a cheap DVD player then the actual gamers were able to buy themselves far more games than Gamecube users.

Also there were 662 games released for GC and 2469 for PS2.  On the top of my head, I distinctly remember a lack of Square-Enix on GC which would have definitely contributed to a lot of console sales.

Once the console was inmensively successfull thanks to be a cheap dvd of course it was the console with more games. Without a dvd it would have done shit. Dreamcast came after, GC exclusives were much better at first and Xbox made online gaming on consoles popular, both more powerfull too, even Dreamcast was more powerfull in some aspects. DVD is the only reason why its numbers were so big at first. Also most of those games were shovelware, Ps2 was like the Wii of its time, and also lot of people use it just to play karaoke, eyetoy and things like that. I remember that as it was yesterday. 

Yes it had the most games but you said nothing about attach rate (just compare it to the Wii one to see if it was the "Wii of its time"). And if we go by "I remember that as it was yesterday", I cant remember anyone with an actual Eyetoy or any popular Eyetoy game, you wont find an eyetoy game in the top 10 best selling ps2 games(Eyetoy play is 33), just compare that to the wii series.

Also, if you check the VGC database you can see that the highest karaoke game is a highschool musical game on like 146th place and only 1.87 million copies sold. 



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S.T.A.G.E. on 04 December 2015
oniyide said:
Goodnightmoon said:

To be a whole generation shitting about a console because the external design does not like you is borderline retarded. And it happenend. A lot.

if people didnt want to buy a console because they thought it looked like a purple lunch box, that is there prerogative. Whats the problem with that? How is that retarted?

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FunFan on 04 December 2015

It's one of two things, or both:

A) Some people hate change + Nintendo promotes change = Some people hate Nintendo.

B) Teenagers opinions tend to work in a very polarized manner. Either they think something is great or it sucks. It's a 10 or a 0. They love it or they hate it. Nintendo's family friendly approach is not appealing to teenagers.



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LiberatorCore on 04 December 2015
Mystro-Sama said:
Nintendo made a mockery out of themselves, and thats pretty much it. They would be similar to what Sony is now in the gaming space if just adapted instead of dying slowly with their stubborn mentality. And I think they played a large role in casualizing the Japan gaming market.

Exactly this. From Amiibo, Region Lock, Dual Release.... well dumb people will never realize it and keep saying "Nintendo is doing nothing wrong", "Nintendo saving gaming industry", etc.. disgusting.



LiberatorCore on 04 December 2015
Miyamotoo said:
Srassy said:
Miyamotoo said:

This simply isn't true at all.

 

Okay, sue me, I exaggerated.  But seriously, how many games has Nintendo produced that haven't been the same culprits from the last thirty years.  The Wii U's library of unique stuff is a bit anemic.  That's why it's important to get more people on board because Nintendo clearly don't know how to innovate any more.

 

A console generation of games shouldn't be just getting the same basic games to work with the extra controller tat that got shovelled in.

Tell me first why Nintendo games after thirty years are still great and still one of the best games in industry!? 

Because of innovation Nintendo puts in them, because of the new stuffs and mechanics, that make them completely fresh and new thirty years later. Seriously, from amount of totally new staffs and mechanics Nintendo puts in every new 3D Mario game or Zelda for instance some other company would made 2 or 3 games.

Also it not like Nintendo put all innovations in same old IPs, Splatoon is latest example of completely new, fresh and innovative game that you cant compare with any other game on market, and guess what its total hit. So of course that Nintendo still knows to innovate and that they are still one of the leading innovator for games.

Hah, bullshit, it's because most of Nintendo fanboys keep spreading their religion like a broken record. TBH my first console is NES and my first game is Mario, even at that time it's just a mediocre experience. Come the playstation age, i was very excited as most the game there is awesome compared to ice climber or mew-rio



Miyamotoo on 04 December 2015
LiberatorCore said:
Miyamotoo said:

Tell me first why Nintendo games after thirty years are still great and still one of the best games in industry!? 

Because of innovation Nintendo puts in them, because of the new stuffs and mechanics, that make them completely fresh and new thirty years later. Seriously, from amount of totally new staffs and mechanics Nintendo puts in every new 3D Mario game or Zelda for instance some other company would made 2 or 3 games.

Also it not like Nintendo put all innovations in same old IPs, Splatoon is latest example of completely new, fresh and innovative game that you cant compare with any other game on market, and guess what its total hit. So of course that Nintendo still knows to innovate and that they are still one of the leading innovator for games.

Hah, bullshit, it's because most of Nintendo fanboys keep spreading their religion like a broken record. TBH my first console is NES and my first game is Mario, even at that time it's just a mediocre experience. Come the playstation age, i was very excited as most the game there is awesome compared to ice climber or mew-rio

Saying that NES Mario at that generation was mediocre game is clear BS. You clearly don't know what you talking about, when Playstation comes to age, Nintendo had games like Mario 64 and Ocarina Of Time on of the best games ever in same age, not ice climber.



S.T.A.G.E. on 04 December 2015
FunFan said:

It's one of two things, or both:

A) Some people hate change + Nintendo promotes change = Some people hate Nintendo.

B) Teenagers opinions tend to work in a very polarized manner. Either they think something is great or it sucks. It's a 10 or a 0. They love it or they hate it. Nintendo's family friendly approach is not appealing to teenagers.


No. because Nintendo does their own thing, they lose access to all applicable demographics. They can create a new demographic using non-gamers like they did with the Wii, but that hurt the sales of their hardcore games. Its an either or thing with Nintendo. Either they can play ball and be Nintendo whilst working with third party or they can just be themselves, which they will continue to do and play hit or miss with fans for years to come.