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AlfredoTurkey said:
TruckOSaurus said:

I agree while I greatly respect someone who has the talent to do it all, it's very close-minded to shun artists who collaborate with others to put out their music. Who said that making music should be a solitary endeavour anyway? Also it's worth noting that Adele does write her own songs. 


No, Bob Dylan wrote his own songs. Check the credits. You will find professional song writers names in each and every one of her hits. If she was talented enough to write her own music, the song writing credits would reflect as much.

 

You're free to like whatever you want, but if you think she's writting these songs, you're being ripped off and lied to. She is an entertainer, not a song writer. Her name is slapped in with the studio owned song writers name because it helps sell records. Look up the Blurred Lines trial and read Robin Thickes deposition where he basically admits to not even BEING IN THE STUDIO when it was written. When asked why his name was in the credits, his reply was basically "it helps to sell records". You're being lied to.

Adele writes her own songs, and co-writes all of the others. She does not compose her songs though.



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fluky-nintendy said:
AlfredoTurkey said:


No, Bob Dylan wrote his own songs. Check the credits. You will find professional song writers names in each and every one of her hits. If she was talented enough to write her own music, the song writing credits would reflect as much.

 

You're free to like whatever you want, but if you think she's writting these songs, you're being ripped off and lied to. She is an entertainer, not a song writer. Her name is slapped in with the studio owned song writers name because it helps sell records. Look up the Blurred Lines trial and read Robin Thickes deposition where he basically admits to not even BEING IN THE STUDIO when it was written. When asked why his name was in the credits, his reply was basically "it helps to sell records". You're being lied to.


I'm wondering what is that you are looking in music? Is it honesty or some sort of credibility out of people or something like that?
People out there that listen to mainstream music just want the music as it is, why is it you want it to be so holy and pure? It's just pop music ffs and it is what it is and it's just as good as any genre of music you can bring to the table.

Also those people on the shadows have their names on the credits and are paid to make her music and many of those people hate the spotlight and could never make their music be successful if they weren't selling it to someone else to sing/play for them.

Ikr. 

Definitely not ever gonna hit the gym with a Bob Dylan song on my spotify playlist.



AlfredoTurkey said:
TruckOSaurus said:

I agree while I greatly respect someone who has the talent to do it all, it's very close-minded to shun artists who collaborate with others to put out their music. Who said that making music should be a solitary endeavour anyway? Also it's worth noting that Adele does write her own songs. 


No, Bob Dylan wrote his own songs. Check the credits. You will find professional song writers names in each and every one of her hits. If she was talented enough to write her own music, the song writing credits would reflect as much.

 

You're free to like whatever you want, but if you think she's writting these songs, you're being ripped off and lied to. She is an entertainer, not a song writer. Her name is slapped in with the studio owned song writers name because it helps sell records. Look up the Blurred Lines trial and read Robin Thickes deposition where he basically admits to not even BEING IN THE STUDIO when it was written. When asked why his name was in the credits, his reply was basically "it helps to sell records". You're being lied to.

Her name is always there first because she does write the songs. Her song are very personal, 21 was about a painful breakup and during her performances she often tells the story behind the song, how she the idea came to her. 

LIke I said before, I do have the utmost respect for people who do it all by themselves but it's silly to consider that music the only kind of music worth listening to.



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AlfredoTurkey said:
spemanig said:


Who cares? Why is this an issue?


Because imo, it's like selling someone else's painting and taking credit for it. She sings someone elses songs, and said person sits in the shadows, unrecognized and unappreciated by the public. Sure, she has an amazing voice, but amazing voices are a dime a dozen. Singer songwriters who perform are much more talented.

I could go on Youtube right now and find 10 amazing singers doing cover versions of other people's music. But I could search for 10 years and be lucky to find ONE great singer song writer. 

It's just the whole underhanded nature of pop music these days that I loath.


It's not anything like that at all. Song writing and singing are two completely seperate skills that require two completely opposite talent sets. There's nothing underhanded about it. Some pheonominal song writers are shitty singers. Some pheonominal singers are crappy song writers. It's stupid to limit the creation of a beautiful peice of music just because someone doesn't house both skills in the same vessel.

That's like saying it's underhanded for actors to not write their own scripts. Is it underhanded for a skilled piano player to make a name for himself with great established works? Or how about saying "fuck you" to every single orchestra player who performed the initial recording of the Harry Potter theme. That should have been John Williams performing everything. I'm never playing another video game unless the person writing, voice acting, composing, and programing the game is one guy.

See how silly that is? Adele is a more talented vocalist than 99% of the mainstream singer-songwriters today. It's silly to put down the credibility of that just success just because those songs aren't hers. Singer-songwriters aren't "more talented." They just have more talents that happen to overlap in their field.

It's nothing like selling someone else's painting. It's also not a "pop music" thing. Every genre does it, and they've been doing it for literally decades. Unless you think Frank Sinatra, and literally every big name jazz singer of that era got big singing "standards" that they themselves wrote.



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Side note: I am an audiophile (My ipod broke a few years ago qith 11,000+ songs on it.), and there is a thing such as audio quality. There is also such a thing as eilitism, and I often find that it is rooted in a nostalgia bent towards a generation's pop music or a need to differentiate, isolate, and elevate the self. If there is any pop star who was/is not reprsentative of main stream pop, it is Adele. I doubt it was by accident that the video for her mega hit "Set Fire to the Rain" had her seated throughout. Consequently, it's quite likely that she had to make up for her lack of marketability with singing/songwriting talent, because Beyonce, Selena Gomez, Ariana Grande, etc. You could also just do a little research on Adele and her music, instead of generalizing.



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AlfredoTurkey said:

Some of the greatest songs like what? Titanic's theme? I'd argue that ALL of the most important songs, were written by the performer.


Fly Me to the Moon - Bart Howard. Not Frank Sinatra.

Respect - Otis Retting. Not Aretha Franklin.

In the Ghetto - Mac Davis. Not Elvis.

Ain't No Mountain High Enough - Nickolas Ashford & Valerie Simpson. Not Marvin Gaye or Tammi Terrell

Take the 'A' Train - Billy Strayhorn. Not Ella Fitzgerald.

With all due respect, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about when it comes to music. The most important songs? To who? 80s/90s kids?

Outside of genres like pop, rock, and country, and their branches of more niche connected genres and sub genres like metal or punk, almost no one successful writes and sings their own songs. Especially not "the most important" songs. What you really want to say is "my favorite songs," likely from a select group of your favorite pop/rock singers/bands you hold nostalgia for. I don't know what your scale for "important songs" is, but it is clearly incredebly inaccurate.



spemanig said:
AlfredoTurkey said:

Some of the greatest songs like what? Titanic's theme? I'd argue that ALL of the most important songs, were written by the performer.


Fly Me to the Moon - Bart Howard. Not Frank Sinatra.

Respect - Otis Retting. Not Aretha Franklin.

In the Ghetto - Mac Davis. Not Elvis.

Ain't No Mountain High Enough - Nickolas Ashford & Valerie Simpson. Not Marvin Gaye or Tammi Terrell

Take the 'A' Train - Billy Strayhorn. Not Ella Fitzgerald.

With all due respect, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about when it comes to music. The most important songs? To who? 80s/90s kids?

Outside of genres like pop, rock, and country, and their branches of more niche connected genres and sub genres like metal or punk, almost no one successful writes and sings their own songs. Especially not "the most important" songs. What you really want to say is "my favorite songs," likely from a select group of your favorite pop/rock singers/bands you hold nostalgia for. I don't know what your scale for "important songs" is, but it is clearly incredebly inaccurate.

Nailed it...anyone who thinks they "know" music should watch "Sound City" and "Sonic Highways" to get a real education. It becomes very apparent that it has always been a songwriter business AND singer business, whether it be Chicago, LA, NY, or Nashville. There are multitudinous songs that have gone multiplatinum, long before many of us were born, written by OTHER mega famous singers. Also, music has been pretty good for a pretty long time.



Honestly Adele can go screw herself lol im so damn sick of hearing about her an that stupid phone call song. Shes so depressing! anyone that enjoys it should get some therapy because they'll probably get depressed aswell



In a world plenty of plastic bitches singing plastic pop with their extremely questionable talent and dominating the music industry, a real talent with such amazing instincts as a singer making a pretty decent pop soul stuff and surpasing all those plastic bitches is something to be glad about.

Her albums are not great, however her voice and some of her songs are, so that´s already more than we had before.



spemanig said:
AlfredoTurkey said:


Because imo, it's like selling someone else's painting and taking credit for it. She sings someone elses songs, and said person sits in the shadows, unrecognized and unappreciated by the public. Sure, she has an amazing voice, but amazing voices are a dime a dozen. Singer songwriters who perform are much more talented.

I could go on Youtube right now and find 10 amazing singers doing cover versions of other people's music. But I could search for 10 years and be lucky to find ONE great singer song writer. 

It's just the whole underhanded nature of pop music these days that I loath.


It's not anything like that at all. Song writing and singing are two completely seperate skills that require two completely opposite talent sets. There's nothing underhanded about it. Some pheonominal song writers are shitty singers. Some pheonominal singers are crappy song writers. It's stupid to limit the creation of a beautiful peice of music just because someone doesn't house both skills in the same vessel.

That's like saying it's underhanded for actors to not write their own scripts. Is it underhanded for a skilled piano player to make a name for himself with great established works? Or how about saying "fuck you" to every single orchestra player who performed the initial recording of the Harry Potter theme. That should have been John Williams performing everything. I'm never playing another video game unless the person writing, voice acting, composing, and programing the game is one guy.

See how silly that is? Adele is a more talented vocalist than 99% of the mainstream singer-songwriters today. It's silly to put down the credibility of that just success just because those songs aren't hers. Singer-songwriters aren't "more talented." They just have more talents that happen to overlap in their field.

It's nothing like selling someone else's painting. It's also not a "pop music" thing. Every genre does it, and they've been doing it for literally decades. Unless you think Frank Sinatra, and literally every big name jazz singer of that era got big singing "standards" that they themselves wrote.

Lol wow. An amazing post. Thanks.