JNK said:
so you already played it? |
Im just quick to judge based on what we ve seen from trailers/gameplay videos&demostrations.
Ratchet & Clank or Star Fox Zero | |||
Ratchet & Clank | 275 | 60.84% | |
Star Fox Zero | 113 | 25.00% | |
See Results! | 63 | 13.94% | |
Total: | 451 |
JNK said:
so you already played it? |
Im just quick to judge based on what we ve seen from trailers/gameplay videos&demostrations.
Better is relative, while obviously RC looks a lot better than SF0 it doesn't change the fact that the RC series is really unattractive. I played RC (ps2) and I can see that they tried to make a new IP that could overcome Crash bandicoot, but they failed really hard, it plays like one of these copy and paste action/3d platform that boomed in the 90's and pretty graphics won't change that. Like Really! Sony has Ape Escape and Sly Cooper, these ones should have gained this treatment instead of RC, they are by far a lot better than RC.
SF0 while underwhelming for Wii U graphics standards, it is based on one of my favorites N64 games. SF64 is simply great. The story, the characters, the bosses fights, the levels. I can't wait to see what they are preparing for the Wii U version.
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JRPGfan said:
If this pole was asked to random strangers on the streets, after seeing a short gameplay video of both, Im pretty sure the numbers would be much more heavily in favor of R & C. Starfox will sell.... but mostly on nostalgia, not nessarly because the newest game is fantastic game worth owning. I can imagine alot of people buying the game and getting dissapointed, meaning this might be the last starfox game they buy. |
Lol yeah, I've played both series and Ratchet and Clank is both superior on the gameplay and sales side consistently.
The new Star Fox game isn't even trying to appeal to the general audience. It's once again trying to appeal to the old fans of 64, as it's a re-reboot for one and the childish puppet figures screams nostalgia. I honestly don't see Star Fox ever taking over Ratchet and Clank unless there's something i'm seriously missing or something radical changes.
Alkibiádēs said:
How is it contradictory? Just because a game is well polished and filled with quality doesn't mean it will sell. Ever heard of Okami, Ico or Shadow of the Colossus? Nintendo and Sony both have vastly different demographics. Obviously R & C will be the better game, Star Fox looks incredibly rushed with a small budget (because the Wii U has a very small userbase, so it isn't worth it to invest in AAA games). As for this particular R & C game, it will likely sell better than the PS3 games thanks to the PS4 being a more succesful console and the movie tie-in for extra promotion. The PS2 games seem unreachable though. |
You're saying Sony doesn't think it's going to sell very well, but we should expect it to sell really well. Why?
The bold is a massive load of garbage. Explain game like SSB, MK. Splatoon, NSMB. Userbase has nothing to do with SF0 looking rushed and small. AAA can and do sell on the Wii U (given that they are Nintendo games).
Oh, and the best selling PS3 R&C game came out when the PS3 had sold under 6 million units. The success of the new game rests mostly on two things, 1. How good the game is. 2. Whether or not Sony can get people interested in the series again.
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Normchacho said:
You're saying Sony doesn't think it's going to sell very well, but we should expect it to sell really well. Why? The bold is a massive load of garbage. Explain game like SSB, MK. Splatoon, NSMB. Userbase has nothing to do with SF0 looking rushed and small. AAA can and do sell on the Wii U (given that they are Nintendo games). Oh, and the best selling PS3 R&C game came out when the PS3 had sold under 6 million units. The success of the new game rests mostly on two things, 1. How good the game is. 2. Whether or not Sony can get people interested in the series again. |
All games that were in development long before Nintendo knew how hard the Wii U was going to bomb. You call my post a load of garbage, but you lack the common sense as to why Nintendo won't invest in AAA games for the Wii U anymore. Userbase has everything to do with the filler games the Wii U has been getting lately. As for Splatoon, it's not a high budget game at all, it's made by their garage team. The best selling R & C game came out when there weren't many PS3 games to begin with. Food for thought.
I said Sony doesn't think it's going to sell well at $60. Don't spin my words. And just because a game is made by Nintendo doesn't mean it's going to sell... What kind of logic is that. Ever heard of Codename Steam? Kirby and the Rainbow Curse?
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160rmf said: Better is relative, while obviously RC looks a lot better than SF0 it doesn't change the fact that the RC series is really unattractive. I played RC (ps2) and I can see that they tried to make a new IP that could overcome Crash bandicoot, but they failed really hard, it plays like one of these copy and paste action/3d platform that boomed in the 90's and pretty graphics won't change that. Like Really! Sony has Ape Escape and Sly Cooper, these ones should have gained this treatment instead of RC, they are by far a lot better than RC. |
I agree. RC is not bad for sure, but not especially great. I thought the Sly Cooper ps2 games were much better!
RC obviously looks much better graphically, but I like Star Fox (and on rail shooters) more than RC.
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Alkibiádēs said:
All games that were in development long before Nintendo knew how hard the Wii U was going to bomb. You call my post a load of garbage, but you lack the common sense as to why Nintendo won't invest in AAA games for the Wii U anymore. Userbase has everything to do with the filler games the Wii U has been getting lately. As for Splatoon, it's not a high budget game at all, it's made by their garage team. The best selling R & C game came out when there weren't many PS3 games to begin with. Food for thought. I said Sony doesn't think it's going to sell well at $60. Don't spin my words. And just because a game is made by Nintendo doesn't mean it's going to sell... What kind of logic is that. Ever heard of Codename Steam? Kirby and the Rainbow Curse? |
LOZ is a pretty big budget game, and that's coming to the WiiU...
Plus, look at how a lot of those games have sold, All of them except for Splatoon are well over 3 million. Those are really good software sales for an exclusive no matter what the install base. The potential for games to sell in large enough numbers to justify a large budget is certainly there (though I seriously doubt the budget for R&C is very large) It's also not like it would take a giant budget to make a good SF game, as you said, Splatoon didn't have a giant budget, but it works and it looks pretty good.
Nowhere did I say that EVERY Nintendo game sold well. I was simply saying that as far as I know the only big games that sell well on the WiiU are Nintendo games.
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Normchacho said:
Plus, look at how a lot of those games have sold, All of them except for Splatoon are well over 3 million. Those are really good software sales for an exclusive no matter what the install base. The potential for games to sell in large enough numbers to justify a large budget is certainly there (though I seriously doubt the budget for R&C is very large) It's also not like it would take a giant budget to make a good SF game, as you said, Splatoon didn't have a giant budget, but it works and it looks pretty good. Nowhere did I say that EVERY Nintendo game sold well. I was simply saying that as far as I know the only big games that sell well on the WiiU are Nintendo games. |
And how long has it been in development already? What aren't you getting here? You think Zelda games are made in a year? Look at how those games sold on the 3DS, the DS or Wii and you'll see why selling 3 million copies of a game is nothing compared to what they got last-gen or could potentially get on the NX. Mario Kart Wii sold over 36 million copies, Mario Kart 8 hasn't even sold 6 million copies yet and was more expensive to create to boot. You would make a bad ceo if you can't see that for yourself. Star Fox: Zero didn't even have a developer yet at E3 2014. The game will have a budget that takes the Wii U's failure into account. The same can't be said about Zelda U, which is why it will most likely be a launch title for the NX. It's pretty obvious R & C has a bigger budget and longer development time than Star Fox: Zero.
And the only games the Wii U gets are made by Nintendo, so duh at your last point.
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Qwark said: Ratchet and Clank would still look better on 180fps due to the system it runs on is 3 or 4times as powerful in the first place |
I obviously wasn't talking about graphics, so power is irrelevant.
Alkibiádēs said: All games that were in development long before Nintendo knew how hard the Wii U was going to bomb. You call my post a load of garbage, but you lack the common sense as to why Nintendo won't invest in AAA games for the Wii U anymore. Userbase has everything to do with the filler games the Wii U has been getting lately. As for Splatoon, it's not a high budget game at all, it's made by their garage team. The best selling R & C game came out when there weren't many PS3 games to begin with. Food for thought. I said Sony doesn't think it's going to sell well at $60. Don't spin my words. And just because a game is made by Nintendo doesn't mean it's going to sell... What kind of logic is that. Ever heard of Codename Steam? Kirby and the Rainbow Curse? |
@bold - And that's totally not the case with Wii U and its neverending flood of games
I think Nintendo messed up big time. SF0 had the whole floor, the most attention the series could ever get and they made a massive turd out of it. They could turn it into their yet another big franchise, similar to Splatoon. The series has the potential to be that big, but they can't stick to N64 rules and limitations! I for one am starved for a Rogue Squadron-like game, but they really should take the formula of a spacecraft shooter the next level, maybe get some inspiration from SF Adventures and make this game something special. Even if it's not profitable on Wii U, they'd set the table for big profits on NX. Instead they took a franchise and showed the whole world why nobody should be excited or care about it.
Wii U is a GCN 2 - I called it months before the release!
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