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NewGuy said:
Robert_Downey_Jr. said:


she looked like a fool to me.  Very weak and just kept passing blame

 

OT:  I like John Kasich.  Can't argue with success

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I don't think Rand Paul will drop out within the next month. He will stick with it until the primaries, for better or worse. I don't think his chances of winning are great though, but who knows, a lot can happen within a few months. 

1. The net benefits of climate change outweigh the costs for the next few decades. Things like increased vegatation, fewer deaths by freezing, etc are appealing. Furthermore, anything we will try to do, that is realistically possible, will have a minute effect, and we have very little chance of changing the course of climate change at this point. Anything that can change would be way too costly in the short-run and long-run.  Additionally, I don't believe the negative effects of climate change will be as drastic as people predict, because of the advancement of technology and the greater wealth of the whole world will be better suited to deal with these negative effects if we do not hinder the economic progress we can make now. Also, Nuclear Fusion will likely replace fossil fuels in a few decades, so a lot of the more drastic pollution issues will be resolved. 

2. I disagree. This disagreement is based fundamentally on the origin of rights. One doesn't have a right to anything that requires another person to achieve. You cannot receive healthcare without a doctor, and if every doctor refused to give you healthcare you do not have a right to enslave them/force them to give it to you, no more than you have a right to force a farmer to grow you food. 

3. I am not a protectionist. I believe all people everywhere deserve the means to leave poverty, so I am not bothered with people in third world countries getting jobs. Instead of worrying about getting jobs back, we should worry about why they are leaving. The U.S has the highest corporate income tax rate in the world. The U.S also has price floors and debilitating regulations that keep Americans from being competitive with foreigners. 

4. College education is acheivable for anybody who is successful in the United States. Community college isn't expensive, and is heavily subsidized for poor individuals. The reason why college is expensive is partly because of student loans. Additionally, there shouldn't solely be a focus on college. There are other jobs, that pay greatly, which people can pursue if they have experience and skills. 

5. Honestly, I really don't view this as a big issue. If we reduced the size of government and its ability to regulate the little guy, then large companies would not really be interested in it in the first place. 

Nope, I am fine with how gun laws are currently. The crime issue in the U.S is primarly caused by ridiculous drug laws. If the U.S decriminalized drugs, more people would be capable of productive activity and would be less entranced in criminal, illegal activity. The mass shooting problem in the U.S is a combination of the law of large numbers, and social issues. Furthermore, it is so infinitesimally small in the grand scheme of murders and deaths. 

 

edIt: Forgot to mention. If Rand Paul doesn't win the primary, I will not vote during the general election. I am an anarchist and only like Rand Paul for his father's influence and what he'd do to remove the state just a little bit from my life. 



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Rand Paul for the primary, he won't win so I won't be voting in the actual presidential election. We'll just get another puppet *cough* Hilary Clinton, *cough* Donald Trump/Jeb Bush.



NewGuy said:
Robert_Downey_Jr. said:


she looked like a fool to me.  Very weak and just kept passing blame

 

OT:  I like John Kasich.  Can't argue with success

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I am huge on the economy.  Social issues kinda advance anyway.  I want to get our dept shrinking is my biggest issue by far.



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sc94597 said:
NewGuy said:
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I don't think Rand Paul will drop out within the next month. He will stick with it until the primaries, for better or worse. I don't think his chances of winning are great though, but who knows, a lot can happen within a few months. 

1. The net benefits of climate change outweigh the costs for the next few decades. Things like increased vegatation, fewer deaths by freezing, etc are appealing. Furthermore, anything we will try to do, that is realistically possible, will have a minute effect, and we have very little chance of changing the course of climate change at this point. Anything that can change would be way too costly in the short-run and long-run.  Additionally, I don't believe the negative effects of climate change will be as drastic as people predict, because of the advancement of technology and the greater wealth of the whole world will be better suited to deal with these negative effects if we do not hinder the economic progress we can make now. Also, Nuclear Fusion will likely replace fossil fuels in a few decades, so a lot of the more drastic pollution issues will be resolved. - I vehemently disagree with this and so do the majority of scientists. I will leave at that as it seems like we won't agree on it. May I ask you if you have done scientific, non-biased reasearch on the subject?

2. I disagree. This disagreement is based fundamentally on the origin of rights. One doesn't have a right to anything that requires another person to achieve. You cannot receive healthcare without a doctor, and if every doctor refused to give you healthcare you do not have a right to enslave them/force them to give it to you, no more than you have a right to force a farmer to grow you food.  - Unlike most people, I think it's fair to think that way. I just ask for consistency. By your rationale, we shouldn't provide free public schools (because you cannot get a public education without a teacher), free public parks/roads (because you cannot maintain/build those without public workers), public 911 services such as firefighting, police etc (because you need a human firefighter, police, ambulance worker). Do you view that those should not be a right as well, and therefore, shouldn't be free?

3. I am not a protectionist. I believe all people everywhere deserve the means to leave poverty, so I am not bothered with people in third world countries getting jobs. Instead of worrying about getting jobs back, we should worry about why they are leaving. The U.S has the highest corporate income tax rate in the world. The U.S also has price floors and debilitating regulations that keep Americans from being competitive with foreigners.  - I believe we need jobs back here. Automation will allow lots of jobs, including manufacturing, to return back home, though  not in as big a volume as before. 

4. College education is acheivable for anybody who is successful in the United States. Community college isn't expensive, and is heavily subsidized for poor individuals. The reason why college is expensive is partly because of student loans. Additionally, there shouldn't solely be a focus on college. There are other jobs, that pay greatly, which people can pursue if they have experience and skills.  - A lot of other countries offer free college education. I think it's imperative that we significantly make college more affordable, if not free. You're right, a lot of good paying jobs can be achieved without a college education, but none of them are technical and usually not in the STEM fields.

5. Honestly, I really don't view this as a big issue. If we reduced the size of government and its ability to regulate the little guy, then large companies would not really be interested in it in the first place.  - I think this is a huge issue and allows corporations and billionaires to control congress and our representatives.

Nope, I am fine with how gun laws are currently. The crime issue in the U.S is primarly caused by ridiculous drug laws. If the U.S decriminalized drugs, more people would be capable of productive activity and would be less entranced in criminal, illegal activity. The mass shooting problem in the U.S is a combination of the law of large numbers, and social issues. Furthermore, it is so infinitesimally small in the grand scheme of murders and deaths.  - IMHO, the gun problem in this country is because of mental problems and the lack of  a common sense background check. I mean, if you are going to get a driver's license, you need to 1) Do an oral/written test, 2) Do a "hands on"/driving test, and 3) Do a vision test. Why can't we have something similar for guns? Makes no sense to me

 

edIt: Forgot to mention. If Rand Paul doesn't win the primary, I will not vote during the general election. I am an anarchist and only like Rand Paul for his father's influence and what he'd do to remove the state just a little bit from my life. 


Good thing you told me you're an anarchist, that means we can agree to disagree :) I have some of my answers/comments in bold there. Curious as to why you wouldn't vote for Trump in the primaries. Would you be okay with President Sanders or President Cliinton then?

Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
NewGuy said:
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I am huge on the economy.  Social issues kinda advance anyway.  I want to get our dept shrinking is my biggest issue by far.

So what specifically on the economy are you mostly worried about? Our debt seems big with you, but none of the candidates have said how they will fix it, have they?

 

NobleTeam360 said:
Rand Paul for the primary, he won't win so I won't be voting in the actual presidential election. We'll just get another puppet *cough* Hilary Clinton, *cough* Donald Trump/Jeb Bush.

I really think Paul is gonna drop out in a month or two. He is at 2-3% right now.

IMHO the only two candidates who won't be puppets are Sanders and Trump. They say it how it is and take no billionaire/corporate money. 



I'd say Sanders, but I'm saying this as a European worried to what the election will bring to us.



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WolfpackN64 said:
I'd say Sanders, but I'm saying this as a European worried to what the election will bring to us.


Most Europeans/non americans love Sanders. The 'socialist' stigma is hard to get over in America though.

I personally think the worst candidate is Clinton.



Soleron said:
Makes a much better comedy show from the outside as compared to living there. There's no contest on the Democrat side, and if you get them you get complete deadlock in Congress plus the same failing policies as today, OR on the Republican side you get hard right policies based on rhetoric and fear.

Even the "socialist" candidate isn't remotely left-wing.

It's kinda funny that the 'socialist' candidtate is basically the same as the old Republican Teddy Rosevelt.  Some of his 'left wing' platfom:

Party’s platform, titled “A Contract With the People,” was considered a dangerously radical, socialistic, document by the mainstream GOP and many Democrats.  The party’s call for social reforms included:



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

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NewGuy said:
WolfpackN64 said:
I'd say Sanders, but I'm saying this as a European worried to what the election will bring to us.


Most Europeans/non americans love Sanders. The 'socialist' stigma is hard to get over in America though.

I personally think the worst candidate is Clinton.

Clinton isn't really the worst. Trump easily is. He's the kind of stupid that drags us into wars we don't want to wage. All I wat is a president of the USA that leaves us alone. Our own politicians are bad enough.



WolfpackN64 said:
NewGuy said:
WolfpackN64 said:
I'd say Sanders, but I'm saying this as a European worried to what the election will bring to us.


Most Europeans/non americans love Sanders. The 'socialist' stigma is hard to get over in America though.

I personally think the worst candidate is Clinton.

Clinton isn't really the worst. Trump easily is. He's the kind of stupid that drags us into wars we don't want to wage. All I wat is a president of the USA that leaves us alone. Our own politicians are bad enough.

LOL if you don't think Hillary is as hawkish, if not more so, than Trump.



NewGuy said:
WolfpackN64 said:
I'd say Sanders, but I'm saying this as a European worried to what the election will bring to us.


Most Europeans/non americans love Sanders. The 'socialist' stigma is hard to get over in America though.

I personally think the worst candidate is Clinton.


Clinton isn't worse then the religious nuts that are still in the republican field Carson, Santorum and Huckabee.