Defensive? Sorry I did not post ignorantly.  Two companies working together on a project isn't something abnormal.  What is your point? 

When a thread has a title starting with 'Xbox Cloud Power', people are naturally going to assume it relates to MS. I can't even fault people for jumping to that conclusion without watching the video either, given Red Dragon's reputation here.

Regardless, the reason the cloud gets so much flack isn't because MS is its biggest pusher, but because of the huge gap we presently have between what is frequently promised as 'just around the corner', and what we are currently actually getting. We are almost 2 years into the 8th generation and yet we only have a single unreleased game that demonstrates significant use of the 'cloud', and even then only for a specific feature (and one that's still heavily reliant on off-line hardware to render it). It doesn't help that there are plenty of titles coming to both the PS4 and X1 that the majority seem to consider more technically impressive than the current cloud poster child. That will inevitably lead people to question to the use of the cloud, fair or not.

If you promise someone the moon on Monday, don't be surprised if they see a diamond as trivial on Tuesday.

If you really feel the need to record your gameplay, it would be for professional or hobby related reasons.  Why would you want to do that in 72030fps, that is not the point of the record function.  Alternatively you can stream it on Twitch, and download to your PC later.  No one on console is going to watch your 30minute gameplay video after it already happened. 

Release more powerful Xbox?  They are basically PCs, get one of those if you want a tremendous increase in graphical fidelity and power.  See Steam Machines coming out and their price tag of $1000+ for a lot of them. 

Xbox360 and PS3 have already been broken and can easily run your downloaded games to a disc or USB.  The way MS has it set up is via a 360 emulation software.

Yes I know how many times servers go down and have problems.  The graphics will be at the point where they run on XBO best.  The Cloudgine will enable the environements to be pushed further and enhance realism.  How do you not understand this?  They are not downgrading anything, just making things better given the limitations. 

Along with general reliability, I'm curious as to how hiccups in the server/connection would manifest. I mean, nothing is going to run 100% flawlessly all the time, hiccups can and probably inevitably will happen, so I'm wondering what happens if a few seconds' worth of of calculations doesn't arrive, or it's delayed, etc, how such things would appear to the player. Would it look like stuttering, whatever assets moving as if the framerate took a giant hit? Would it get all wonky and crazy? Would the game crash? Folks are going to generally be fine with the occasional framerate/visual hitch here and there, so minor performance hiccups probably wouldn't hurt the appeal, so long as they remain minor and fairly sporadic.

I mean, I know, but I at least listened to the first 20 seconds of the video o.O.  Idk why that is the title.   

Say the tech is perfect in three years and it enhances games 10fold to push them past limitations, what is so wron with trying to achieve that  initially.

Its like bashing someone for trying to cure cancer with statements like, "it will never work, why bother." 

But I agree, MS should have never hyped it in the ways that did a year or so ago.  Literally no point to continue to critize.  They are at least trying and making an effort. 

Ah, that's different from the earlier Crackdown estimates. They were talking about 3 to 5 mbps, which I already thought pretty low.
We'll see, yet 1.5 mbps is only 6.4 KB per frame at 30fps. Or just over 1600 longs (4 byte numbers) about 540 coordinates per frame. It's very little when it comes to usuable data.

Very curious to see the end result. How big the difference is going to be between cloud on and cloud off.

You're trying to convince me the environement in Uncharted 4 is impressive?  Looks nice, but I've seen way better.  The character models though, are very impressive.  Not something cloudgine is kind of aiming at. 

It might not be entirely fair, but it's a good example of why it's so important to find a balance between getting people interested, and not setting their expectations so high that the road to that end goal is nothing but disappointment.

Again, it might not be entirely fair, but it's very much a hole they dug for themselves. Until they can deliver on what people initially expected (or at least something a step above everything else presently on the market), people will likely continue to belittle it.

ehm nvidia is allready streaming pc games. and their box is still a bit cheaper than the xbone.(but not for long if trends hold.. and they are only 9,99€/month. oh and you can buy a realy strong but cheap tab if you dont want the box

In this thread, I've learned that having internet access is kind of like having household electricity and that cloud computing is kind of like a cure for cancer.

We've come a long way.

On topic, Crackdown 3 multiplayer looks interesting. Not my cup of Wendigo's Summer Blend but the destructibility is intriguing. Still, it's a long jump from that to realistic destruction in realistic environments. 99% of the games I play, I don't want them to look like what I see in Crackdown 3. There is still a lot to prove with the technology before we can be sure that it's "the future". I mean, I'm still waiting for our gaming future with Kinect to kick in.

Also, keep that crub in online multi-player modes. The internet in much of the world is not reliable enough for single-player modes to depend on it.