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d21lewis on 17 October 2015
fatslob-:O said:
Pavolink said:

Remember when some reports said 3DS had PS360 tech? and in the end it was that REvelations looked good and with some modern effects, but still a handheld game?

What did they exactly mean by "PS360 tech" ? Did they specifically say "PS360 level of hardware" ?

I only remember seeing reports that it was basically a portable Gamecube and that it would put the PSP to shame. Not saying nobody ever said it was PS360 (which the Vita almost is). Just saying I personally never saw anybody say that.



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bunchanumbers on 17 October 2015
spemanig said:
FunFan said:

I think GTA was its biggest selling point. DVD is a close second. Maybe not so close.


GTA was a far second behind DVDs. There were a lot of people who didn't even know the PS2 was a gaming system. I anecdotally know someone who thought playstation was a disk media brand until recently, with the "play" meaning to "press play" on a DVD player.

Especially with the PS2, I think people vastly underestimate how significant the DVD player was, or how similar its success was to the Wiis.


Pretty much this. I had friends who bought it just because it was a cheap DVD player. Hell I bought one because it was a cheap DVD player.



Darc Requiem on 17 October 2015

I believe this when I see it. After the Gamecube, Nintendo's hardware philosophy changed. I'd need hard evidence, not speculation from a fan site, to buy these stories of the NX's power.



anamme on 17 October 2015

Sometimes I don't understand Nintendo. Sure they want their first-party games to be the shining beacon for their console, as they have been throughout Nintendo's history. But the Wii was a one-off, in the sense that they captured some kind of lightning in a bottle with that console, which they might not be able to do again.

Are they just actively reluctant to have big third-party games on their console? When the PS5 and X2 come out, they'll probably be more powerful than the NX, so once again no GTA/Elder Scrolls/Battlefield, etc, on the NX, at least not versions comparable to what the other two consoles will get. I'm not trying to hate on Nintendo, I love them and what they do. But surely their next console would sell better if customers knew that those kinds of games could be played alongside Mario/Pokemon etc.



generic-user-1 on 17 October 2015
midrange said:
JWeinCom said:


No, they won't.  Third parties are not going to start their work on an unproven system.  It's not worth putting in the extra effort unless they think the game will sell well on the NX.

Nintendo has not shown the ability to make blockbusters that will win over the types of gamers that the PS4 and XBox One sell to.  They're simply not great at creating shooters or cinematic action games. 

Nintendo regaining people's fascination doesn't require the system to be more powerful than the PS4.  The price will offset the benefit, unless they want to take a huge hit on their profits, and that probably wouldn't be a good idea.

The ps4 was unproven and people worked on it. The wii u was unproven and almost got zombiu aand rayman legends exclusively. The xbox was unproven and got titanfall exclusivity. Third parties will work on a console if it has promise, not if it has proven itself. Power is a good indicator of a future proof console due to its capabilities for future games

Remeber that a lot of the people that shifted to ps4 are from the wii crowd. In fact, sony admitted to targeting the wii audience. It's safe to say Nintendo can make games that can detract market share from it's competitors.

And yes, Nintendo does have the capability to make blockbuster games. It's a matter of will they invest money to do so.

If mario maker was bundled as a launch title, I gaurantee the wii u would at least double in sales. splatoon is a new ip and is selling itself on a poor console. The legend of zelda and metroid prime are excellent franchises to take a more darker approach to games.

Nintendo regaining people's fascination requires a multitude of things, but power is a safe bet (as is marketing, standard controller, and a solid lineup)

its not so easy making unique games year after year(or make every entry in a series feel unique), but nintendo is trying, not like sony and m$ (okay sony is paying for some 3rd party games with quality)  generic space shooter 5 vs indianer jones ripoff 4 isnt so hard to do.

no new ideas, same mediocre writters, a bit new shiny graphics and everything is done.

splatoon feels so fresh because it IS fresh, and mario maker feels so good because we finaly get something we allways wanted.



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d21lewis on 17 October 2015

I didn't read this thread. I saw it to late and I'll never catch up. I'm a huge Nintendo fan since like 1988.

With that said, I know Nintendo. They produce great hardware line the SNES and the Gamecube. They produce weaker hardware like the Wii and WiiU. One thing they've always done was give devs hardware that's "in the ballpark" of the actual hardware.

Starfox was supposed to be running on the Super FX at one E3 (or CES) but they found out it was actually running on a computer.

The "Project Realty"/Ultra 64/N64 was supposed to be the exact hardware that Cruis'N USA and Killer Instinct were running on in the arcades. The actual hardware was much less.

Same thing with certain early WiiU titles where devs built their games expecting a certain level of performance only to discover that it was considerably weaker (something I still have a hard time excepting. Reggie said it would be as powerful as the next PlayStation and Xbox. Reggie said it!)


So, while I'll but the NX, I'm going to temper my expectations. That way, I'm either not surprised or I'm pleasantly surprised. I won't be disappointed, though.



midrange on 17 October 2015
generic-user-1 said:
midrange said:
JWeinCom said:


No, they won't.  Third parties are not going to start their work on an unproven system.  It's not worth putting in the extra effort unless they think the game will sell well on the NX.

Nintendo has not shown the ability to make blockbusters that will win over the types of gamers that the PS4 and XBox One sell to.  They're simply not great at creating shooters or cinematic action games. 

Nintendo regaining people's fascination doesn't require the system to be more powerful than the PS4.  The price will offset the benefit, unless they want to take a huge hit on their profits, and that probably wouldn't be a good idea.

The ps4 was unproven and people worked on it. The wii u was unproven and almost got zombiu aand rayman legends exclusively. The xbox was unproven and got titanfall exclusivity. Third parties will work on a console if it has promise, not if it has proven itself. Power is a good indicator of a future proof console due to its capabilities for future games

Remeber that a lot of the people that shifted to ps4 are from the wii crowd. In fact, sony admitted to targeting the wii audience. It's safe to say Nintendo can make games that can detract market share from it's competitors.

And yes, Nintendo does have the capability to make blockbuster games. It's a matter of will they invest money to do so.

If mario maker was bundled as a launch title, I gaurantee the wii u would at least double in sales. splatoon is a new ip and is selling itself on a poor console. The legend of zelda and metroid prime are excellent franchises to take a more darker approach to games.

Nintendo regaining people's fascination requires a multitude of things, but power is a safe bet (as is marketing, standard controller, and a solid lineup)

its not so easy making unique games year after year(or make every entry in a series feel unique), but nintendo is trying, not like sony and m$ (okay sony is paying for some 3rd party games with quality)  generic space shooter 5 vs indianer jones ripoff 4 isnt so hard to do.

no new ideas, same mediocre writters, a bit new shiny graphics and everything is done.

splatoon feels so fresh because it IS fresh, and mario maker feels so good because we finaly get something we allways wanted.

smash and mario kart came out in the same year. splatoon and mario maker came out in the same year. Amazing games can be worked on concurrently.

Also that indiana jones ripoff series consistently gets high reviews and game of the year awards while being made by the same devs as the last of us. You can't say that sony does nothing new when games like horizon are just around the corner.

Please don't use any flamebait material to address what the NX should have



d21lewis on 17 October 2015
generic-user-1 said:
midrange said:
JWeinCom said:


No, they won't.  Third parties are not going to start their work on an unproven system.  It's not worth putting in the extra effort unless they think the game will sell well on the NX.

Nintendo has not shown the ability to make blockbusters that will win over the types of gamers that the PS4 and XBox One sell to.  They're simply not great at creating shooters or cinematic action games. 

Nintendo regaining people's fascination doesn't require the system to be more powerful than the PS4.  The price will offset the benefit, unless they want to take a huge hit on their profits, and that probably wouldn't be a good idea.

The ps4 was unproven and people worked on it. The wii u was unproven and almost got zombiu aand rayman legends exclusively. The xbox was unproven and got titanfall exclusivity. Third parties will work on a console if it has promise, not if it has proven itself. Power is a good indicator of a future proof console due to its capabilities for future games

Remeber that a lot of the people that shifted to ps4 are from the wii crowd. In fact, sony admitted to targeting the wii audience. It's safe to say Nintendo can make games that can detract market share from it's competitors.

And yes, Nintendo does have the capability to make blockbuster games. It's a matter of will they invest money to do so.

If mario maker was bundled as a launch title, I gaurantee the wii u would at least double in sales. splatoon is a new ip and is selling itself on a poor console. The legend of zelda and metroid prime are excellent franchises to take a more darker approach to games.

Nintendo regaining people's fascination requires a multitude of things, but power is a safe bet (as is marketing, standard controller, and a solid lineup)

its not so easy making unique games year after year(or make every entry in a series feel unique), but nintendo is trying, not like sony and m$ (okay sony is paying for some 3rd party games with quality)  generic space shooter 5 vs indianer jones ripoff 4 isnt so hard to do.

no new ideas, same mediocre writters, a bit new shiny graphics and everything is done.

splatoon feels so fresh because it IS fresh, and mario maker feels so good because we finaly get something we allways wanted.


Again, I'm a Nintendo fan but I can't agree with you.  When you see games like Dreams, Recore, Sea of Theives, Ori, Journey, PlayStation VR, etc from those guys, you have to agree that it's not just Nintendo who innovates these days.



generic-user-1 on 17 October 2015
d21lewis said:
generic-user-1 said:
midrange said:
JWeinCom said:


No, they won't.  Third parties are not going to start their work on an unproven system.  It's not worth putting in the extra effort unless they think the game will sell well on the NX.

Nintendo has not shown the ability to make blockbusters that will win over the types of gamers that the PS4 and XBox One sell to.  They're simply not great at creating shooters or cinematic action games. 

Nintendo regaining people's fascination doesn't require the system to be more powerful than the PS4.  The price will offset the benefit, unless they want to take a huge hit on their profits, and that probably wouldn't be a good idea.

The ps4 was unproven and people worked on it. The wii u was unproven and almost got zombiu aand rayman legends exclusively. The xbox was unproven and got titanfall exclusivity. Third parties will work on a console if it has promise, not if it has proven itself. Power is a good indicator of a future proof console due to its capabilities for future games

Remeber that a lot of the people that shifted to ps4 are from the wii crowd. In fact, sony admitted to targeting the wii audience. It's safe to say Nintendo can make games that can detract market share from it's competitors.

And yes, Nintendo does have the capability to make blockbuster games. It's a matter of will they invest money to do so.

If mario maker was bundled as a launch title, I gaurantee the wii u would at least double in sales. splatoon is a new ip and is selling itself on a poor console. The legend of zelda and metroid prime are excellent franchises to take a more darker approach to games.

Nintendo regaining people's fascination requires a multitude of things, but power is a safe bet (as is marketing, standard controller, and a solid lineup)

its not so easy making unique games year after year(or make every entry in a series feel unique), but nintendo is trying, not like sony and m$ (okay sony is paying for some 3rd party games with quality)  generic space shooter 5 vs indianer jones ripoff 4 isnt so hard to do.

no new ideas, same mediocre writters, a bit new shiny graphics and everything is done.

splatoon feels so fresh because it IS fresh, and mario maker feels so good because we finaly get something we allways wanted.


Again, I'm a Nintendo fan but I can't agree with you.  When you see games like Dreams, Recore, Sea of Theives, Ori, Journey, PlayStation VR, etc from those guys, you have to agree that it's not just Nintendo who innovates these days.

outside the blockbusters? sure. but well, thats nice for some but its just smaller games with a bit less management oversight.

all the blockbusters are made like modern movies, good manufacturing but very  less fresh things or intelligent writting, directing, etc.

ND games more like Marvel movies, m$ more like transformers.

nintendo isnt doing the same,allmost every nintendo game feels fresh or looks different.  is wolly world an innovation? i dont think so, but its feels fresh and looks totaly different than the last yoshi game.



Werix357 on 17 October 2015

Going by what was said in the WSJ report about the NX having "industry leading chips" makes me think that industry leading means performance per watt and/or performance per ²mm (of silicon) and my guess is Nintendo are going with AMD for the SoC