JWeinCom said:
""""""""""""""You are making a lot of assumptions here.""""""""""""""""""""""" No, I am making inferences. Inferences are based on truth(fact). Unless, I explicitly stated the things that led to your conclusions, which i did not, those are assumptions. """""""""""""""""""I never commented on the religious background of those who said muslims cannot integrate into society, b/c its irrelevant. I also never said that those saying muslims can't integrate into society are the same people saying whats religious people are whats wrong with this world. """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Oh yes you did. "Its insane, how people say oh religious people are intolerant, or they are whats wrong with the world, some of whom are the very people saying these racist things as though its common." You clearly associate the people who say religion is wrong with the world to people who are saying racist things :) Key word "Some of whom", which means not limited to, i.e the possibility exists but NOT that one presupposed the other. And if you weren't trying to make that connection, why did you feel it necessary to mention atheists and secularists at all? Ummm....because you did? I didn't mention the phrase "atheists and secularists" until you did. """""""""""""""""So no, I am not making generalizations about atheists or secularists, I never mentioned them, never brought them into the discussion, I didn't even consider them, you did. """""""""""""""""""""" Yes. Yes you did. You mentioned people who say "oh religious people are intolerant, or they are what's wrong with the world." If a person things religion is what's wrong with the world, then they would by definition have to be secularists. Unless you propose that someone who thinks religious people are what's wrong with the world also think that religion should be a part of government. It is also simple to infer that many people in this category are atheists. There is a spectrum of those who have differing beliefs about religions and religion in general. Religious intolerance is not a prerequiste of secularists and atheists. So no not even in this regard, can you claim I am making such a generalization. So no, you did not specifically say secularists, but you gave a description of a group of people that can only be secularists. Again wrong, "Religious intolerance is not a prerequiste of secularism/atheism", I can't even say its a subset of secularists because religious intolerance isn't even unique to such a group. I've stated many times in this thread that any kind of intolerance is embedded in human nature and cannot be attributed to any group of people. Of course, if you could explain to me how a group of people that thinks religion is what is wrong with the world can be anything but a secularist, I'll happily stand corrected. Religious intolerance is not a prerequiste of secularists and atheists. """""""""""""""""""""And I'm not responding to the one person talking about religious people can't live in a democratic society, I'm talking about everyone who shares that similar anti-muslim, racist, and or xenophobic sentiment i.e us vs them. Notice how I am describing on their own "qualities" group of people, but I am not making baseless generalizations about them like oh they must be fat white males who live with there mothers or some crap like that.""""""""""""""""" I honestly have no ide what "I am describing them on their own "qualities" group of people" means. Not to be rude but that simply does not make sense. It makes sense, if I must simplify, judging based on facts and not fabrications. If Muhammed is in my CS class, I think he must have been smart to get into my class, not that he is an Al-Queda Sleeper. You began by mentioning a specific group of people (people who think that religion is what's wrong with the world) and then associate them with racist comments. Then you specifically make a point of saying you're a Christian. If you're not trying to draw a distinction between christians and another group, why bring it up at all? Because religious intolerance and racism, and really any other kind of intolerance, is all the same thing. I mention Christian because it is generally the Conservative viewpoint on refugees and immigration in general. And Christians are a big part of the Conservative group, at least here in America. I mention I am a Christian because, I'm proving an exception. I'm not going to get into a drawn out thing about it, because it's right there in black and white. |
Open your mind, and actually read what I wrote. You're so blinded by your own preconceptions, that you've only interpretted half of my claims correctly. And it's annoying that I have to spend, most of my post reiterating and explaining to you.
So much for black and white.
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