Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
JWeinCom said:
There is precisely one person in this thread who said religious people in general can't live in a democratic society. As for the people who are saying that muslims cannot integrate into society, what is their religious background? I'm usually involved in the threads that are against religion, and I haven't seen them posting there. Can you back up the claim that the people saying Muslims can't integrate into society are the same ones saying that religious people are what's wrong with the world? Because, if you cannot, then you are making a generalization about atheists and secularists that I resent.
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So no, I am not making generalizations about atheists or secularists, I never mentioned them, never brought them into the discussion, I didn't even consider them, you did.
And I'm not responding to the one person talking about religious people can't live in a democratic society, I'm talking about everyone who shares that similar anti-muslim, racist, and or xenophobic sentiment i.e us vs them. Notice how I am describing on their own "qualities" group of people, but I am not making baseless generalizations about them like oh they must be fat white males who live with there mothers or some crap like that.
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""""""""""""""You are making a lot of assumptions here."""""""""""""""""""""""
No, I am making inferences.
"""""""""""""""""""I never commented on the religious background of those who said muslims cannot integrate into society, b/c its irrelevant.
I also never said that those saying muslims can't integrate into society are the same people saying whats religious people are whats wrong with this world. """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Oh yes you did. "Its insane, how people say oh religious people are intolerant, or they are whats wrong with the world, some of whom are the very people saying these racist things as though its common."
You clearly associate the people who say religion is wrong with the world to people who are saying racist things :)
And if you weren't trying to make that connection, why did you feel it necessary to mention atheists and secularists at all?
"""""""""""""""""So no, I am not making generalizations about atheists or secularists, I never mentioned them, never brought them into the discussion, I didn't even consider them, you did. """"""""""""""""""""""
Yes. Yes you did. You mentioned people who say "oh religious people are intolerant, or they are what's wrong with the world." If a person things religion is what's wrong with the world, then they would by definition have to be secularists. Unless you propose that someone who thinks religious people are what's wrong with the world also think that religion should be a part of government. It is also simple to infer that many people in this category are atheists.
So no, you did not specifically say secularists, but you gave a description of a group of people that can only be secularists. Of course, if you could explain to me how a group of people that thinks religion is what is wrong with the world can be anything but a secularist, I'll happily stand corrected.
"""""""""""""""""""""And I'm not responding to the one person talking about religious people can't live in a democratic society, I'm talking about everyone who shares that similar anti-muslim, racist, and or xenophobic sentiment i.e us vs them. Notice how I am describing on their own "qualities" group of people, but I am not making baseless generalizations about them like oh they must be fat white males who live with there mothers or some crap like that."""""""""""""""""
I honestly have no ide what "I am describing them on their own "qualities" group of people" means. Not to be rude but that simply does not make sense.
You began by mentioning a specific group of people (people who think that religion is what's wrong with the world) and then associate them with racist comments. Then you specifically make a point of saying you're a Christian. If you're not trying to draw a distinction between christians and another group, why bring it up at all?
I'm not going to get into a drawn out thing about it, because it's right there in black and white.