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Conina on 29 September 2015
Darwinianevolution said:
TheWPCTraveler said:
I'm really concerned about the attach rate of the 3DS.
The DS had an attach rate of ~5.66 after six and a half years and lots of piracy.
The 3DS has an attach rate of ~4.2 after four years (with a successor probably rushing in a year and a half from now) and a disappointing mass-appeal lineup.

Well, digital sales are hidden and we aren't able to know how many games were sold through them.

Of course we know: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/library/historical_data/pdf/consolidated_sales_e1506.pdf

233.58 million 3DS software sales (retail + digital) / 53.07 million 3DS hardware units = attach rate of 4.4

"Nintendo 3DS software includes the downloadable version of Nintendo 3DS card software", so only the smaller eShop titles without retail release are excluded.

 



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Dr.Henry_Killinger on 29 September 2015
XanderXT said:

I keep seeing people say that the 3DS is a failure because it doesn't live up to the success of the DS. Yet I also see the same peole saying not to count the DS because it was an anolamy. What do you think of these people?

Selling less than your predecessor is not grounds for failure, especially when you're predecessors had no decent competition.



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NightDragon83 on 29 September 2015

It's all about context though. The original DS was also a big disappointment compared to the GBA during its first year and a half on the market, then it caught fire when the "Lite" version was released alongside NSMB in the first half of 2006.

The DS was also half the price that the 3DS originally launched at, which severely hampered the 3DS's sales early on, along with the fact that the 3DS didn't really have any compelling games early in its life aside from 3D ports of N64 games like Starfox 64 and Ocarina.



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kopstudent89 on 29 September 2015
Ouroboros24 said:
kopstudent89 said:
3DS not managing 20m in America is a disappointment. It hasn't done much better than the GC there..


You remind me of a stage mom or dad.  It's not enough that their child is couragous enough to get on stage and perform, but you expect them to wow the crowd and help you retire early.

The DS selling over 20m in America is extremely successful, far exceeding that of Nintendo's expectations.  Over 15m 3ds in the US is far from disappointment.  That's still a remarkable number to be proud of.  Standards of acceptance from you or the general public make no waves for Nintendo when they see a return on an investment and they see a positive result.  The legacy of the 3ds is that it did it's job and for a time when they needed it to do its job.  History will see that the 3ds not only made nintendo money, but it also set the course for which nintendo has begun their new model for portables in both the smart phone market and whatever their new handheld will be, if there will be a new handheld after the dual screen series of portables.

3DS is a failure only in regards to a tremendous success that is the DS.  It's like running a mile in 8 minutes, of which I doubt you could do, but the other guy ran it in 7 minutes.  Like saying America is a failure because it's kid's aren't scoring high on standardized testing.  We made Jazz and hip-hop, that's no failure.

No GB, GBA and DS managed 40m+. 3DS might not get 20m. Thats a big let down



Ouroboros24 on 29 September 2015
kopstudent89 said:
Ouroboros24 said:


You remind me of a stage mom or dad.  It's not enough that their child is couragous enough to get on stage and perform, but you expect them to wow the crowd and help you retire early.

The DS selling over 20m in America is extremely successful, far exceeding that of Nintendo's expectations.  Over 15m 3ds in the US is far from disappointment.  That's still a remarkable number to be proud of.  Standards of acceptance from you or the general public make no waves for Nintendo when they see a return on an investment and they see a positive result.  The legacy of the 3ds is that it did it's job and for a time when they needed it to do its job.  History will see that the 3ds not only made nintendo money, but it also set the course for which nintendo has begun their new model for portables in both the smart phone market and whatever their new handheld will be, if there will be a new handheld after the dual screen series of portables.

3DS is a failure only in regards to a tremendous success that is the DS.  It's like running a mile in 8 minutes, of which I doubt you could do, but the other guy ran it in 7 minutes.  Like saying America is a failure because it's kid's aren't scoring high on standardized testing.  We made Jazz and hip-hop, that's no failure.

No GB, GBA and DS managed 40m+. 3DS might not get 20m. Thats a big let down

na, in the long run, it did it's job.  cuz people want a grand story to tell, a hero to worship and records to be broken.  if you see 3ds as a failure, you don't see nintendo's true success.  Then again, most don't really understand nintendo's capacity for business.  take their threshold of hardware sold and one thinks that's their worth.  tsk, tsk, tsk...



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Pavolink on 29 September 2015

It needed 2 games to be rushed and a big price cut months after release. We know the answer.

OP: That's the same people that believes Nintendo "always" released underpowered hardware. That tell you about their intelligence.



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JetSetter on 29 September 2015
TheWPCTraveler said:
I'm really concerned about the attach rate of the 3DS.
The DS had an attach rate of ~5.66 after six and a half years and lots of piracy.
The 3DS has an attach rate of ~4.2 after four years (with a successor probably rushing in a year and a half from now) and a disappointing mass-appeal lineup.

Big Brain Academy hasn't seen an entry on 3DS hardware.
Brain Age: Concentration Training flopped hard after the multi-million selling prior entries to the series.
Nintendogs+cats sold worse than Nintendogs despite three versions.
Pokémon X/Y is underwhelming compared to D/P and B/W. Pokémon OR/AS doesn't hold up a candle against how good HG/SS was. (The DS has nine Pokémon games, the 3DS has four)
Cooking Mama and its spin-offs did much better on DS than 3DS.
The two Layton games on the 3DS haven't even broke a million, the DS entries sold millions each.
NSMB 2 is disappointing compared to NSMB.
And all that delicious shovelware that sold by the pile on the DS? They all flopped hard on the 3DS. I haven't heard of any third-party shovelware that sold well on the 3DS.

Mind you, this is despite the core audience flourishing.
Etrian Odyssey IV is just short of the original Etrian Odyssey when it came to physical sales, and may very well be over the original when taking into account digital. And, Persona Q has sold much better than every mainline Etrian Odyssey title to date...
Devil Survivor Overclocked has sold better than the original, well, it is an enhanced port. And, the 3DS got quite a few SMT titles, too.
And, well, let's not forget about Fire Emblem. Awakening sold better than the previous four titles in the series, combined.


I honestly think the reason for the statements I bolded lies in the idea that the casuals abandoned the HH market and went straight to mobile devices. Those guys that made all those cheap shovelware games are now on mobile or just gone, and thus, the casuals have left with them. As for the Nintendo made games like Nintendogs and Brain Age, I feel like Nintendo tried to see if the audience was there early on (and when it wasn't) they shifted their focus to the core audience. 

But like you mentioned,  if Atlus games and niche game series like Fire Emblem are able to better able to sell in this environment then I'm all for it. 



Kuksenkov on 29 September 2015

Unless they're paying your bills, pay them bitches no mind.

But seriously, I wouldn't consider 3DS a failure. The market changed A LOT since the 2006-2007 years, for a handheld to sell over 80 million would be a miracle.



kopstudent89 on 30 September 2015
Ouroboros24 said:
kopstudent89 said:
Ouroboros24 said:


You remind me of a stage mom or dad.  It's not enough that their child is couragous enough to get on stage and perform, but you expect them to wow the crowd and help you retire early.

The DS selling over 20m in America is extremely successful, far exceeding that of Nintendo's expectations.  Over 15m 3ds in the US is far from disappointment.  That's still a remarkable number to be proud of.  Standards of acceptance from you or the general public make no waves for Nintendo when they see a return on an investment and they see a positive result.  The legacy of the 3ds is that it did it's job and for a time when they needed it to do its job.  History will see that the 3ds not only made nintendo money, but it also set the course for which nintendo has begun their new model for portables in both the smart phone market and whatever their new handheld will be, if there will be a new handheld after the dual screen series of portables.

3DS is a failure only in regards to a tremendous success that is the DS.  It's like running a mile in 8 minutes, of which I doubt you could do, but the other guy ran it in 7 minutes.  Like saying America is a failure because it's kid's aren't scoring high on standardized testing.  We made Jazz and hip-hop, that's no failure.

No GB, GBA and DS managed 40m+. 3DS might not get 20m. Thats a big let down

na, in the long run, it did it's job.  cuz people want a grand story to tell, a hero to worship and records to be broken.  if you see 3ds as a failure, you don't see nintendo's true success.  Then again, most don't really understand nintendo's capacity for business.  take their threshold of hardware sold and one thinks that's their worth.  tsk, tsk, tsk...

I didn't say failure, I said it's a disappointment. DS sold 55m in NA, 3DS still hasn't managed 20m. It's a huge decline in momentum. They might bounce back who knows but they will be concerned about the fact that they've struggled a bit in the West and mobile is even more popular than ever. It's a concern for sure. 

Is it a failure? No it's more than profitable with mostly first party software having the biggst chunk of the sales. It's been profitable but they are changing things for a reason and that's because the decline in both consoles sales is worrying, and decline is never a good thing. 



XanderXT on 01 October 2015
TheWPCTraveler said:
I'm really concerned about the attach rate of the 3DS.
The DS had an attach rate of ~5.66 after six and a half years and lots of piracy.
The 3DS has an attach rate of ~4.2 after four years (with a successor probably rushing in a year and a half from now) and a disappointing mass-appeal lineup.

Big Brain Academy hasn't seen an entry on 3DS hardware.
Brain Age: Concentration Training flopped hard after the multi-million selling prior entries to the series.
Nintendogs+cats sold worse than Nintendogs despite three versions.
Pokémon X/Y is underwhelming compared to D/P and B/W. Pokémon OR/AS doesn't hold up a candle against how good HG/SS was. (The DS has nine Pokémon games, the 3DS has four)
Cooking Mama and its spin-offs did much better on DS than 3DS.
The two Layton games on the 3DS haven't even broke a million, the DS entries sold millions each.
NSMB 2 is disappointing compared to NSMB.
And all that delicious shovelware that sold by the pile on the DS? They all flopped hard on the 3DS. I haven't heard of any third-party shovelware that sold well on the 3DS.

Mind you, this is despite the core audience flourishing.
Etrian Odyssey IV is just short of the original Etrian Odyssey when it came to physical sales, and may very well be over the original when taking into account digital. And, Persona Q has sold much better than every mainline Etrian Odyssey title to date...
Devil Survivor Overclocked has sold better than the original, well, it is an enhanced port. And, the 3DS got quite a few SMT titles, too.
And, well, let's not forget about Fire Emblem. Awakening sold better than the previous four titles in the series, combined.

I think that's because there are less casuals buying the 3DS.