I like Ben's line: "You're led throughout the movie to question what you've been taught, so IMMEDIATELY you assume that this man's assertions are correct."

He points out a classic logical flaw... A may not true, therefore B is true.

Don't take this from me as a Christian. Take this from me as a person that's studied and researched the topics on hand in Zeitgeist:

Do not believe what they try telling you in that video.

There are countless errors and assumptions made in that video, it's blatantly clear to anybody that's studied pretty much any of the topics in said video that he clearly didn't research the topic half as much as he claims.

Here's an excerpt from a discussion about Zeitgeist from another messageboard. I don't claim its infallibility, but it does demonstrate a great deal of why Zeitgeist shouldn't just be taken at face value.

I haven't seen the rest, because after seeing the bull in the religion section, I've debated whether the rest was even worth the time of day. Maybe sometime when I get bored.

 Just like you're attacking what I believe in?  Not just my religious beliefs, but my stance on the government, and my belief that they did NOT set up 9/11?  It's my right to believe that.

And in case you forgot AoA said,
"I imagine there will be a lot of haters for the Movie on this forum simply because you're not willing to believe you've been living in one big fat lie your whole life."

My initial harsh tone was probably because of his own condencending attitude, the same attitude oh so many people get after watching a riveting conspiracy flick. 

Has anybody seen both this AND What the Bleep Do We Know? I'd like a comparison of the two if at all possible. Man that movie was a fucking lulzfest of crap. It starts off with some pretty believable quantum physics stuff, and how there's infinite potentialities for every atom at every second, and turns it into this like self-help thing, where you can be happy if you focus on your infinite potential happy futures, and make them come true. So far still good science, and with kinda new age hippie philosophy painted on top, and then BOOM, at the end Ramtha comes out, this crazy chick who leads this cult, who believes that this alien G-d being speaks through her body, and she tells you a bunch of bullshit, and then you go to her web site and she wants money. It's hilarious.

I just want to know if Zeitgeist is that bad.

We actually watched that movie at school, and then we were supposed to think about it and bring questions to the next class. I looked her up online, found out about her other alien theory hoaxes that nobody fell for before she came up with this new Ramtha one... and debunked the whole movie the next class.


What's funny is one time many moons ago I watched just the first 2 minutes, and thought it was gonna be some crazy abstract art piece, and didn't even know it was some conspiracy mumbo jumbo until I saw this thread!

I haven't seen that video, but Zeitgeist is pretty awful nonetheless.

Side topic: Rubang, I noticed you censor the word "God". With that said, I'm curious as to your religious stance.

What historical evidence?
The is one roman text with one line that say anything about a jesus.

want historical evidence, what about the bible first being made and taking in by the roman empore long time after, since now most of his ppl was follows of jesus now?

what about the bible being made by a committy long time after "jesus was dead", and why did they hold a meeting, becouse they coudt not agree on what was right and wrong, alot of ppl belive that jesus just was a normal man that help ppl and try to teach them to be good to each other, no mystical powers or son of god stuff.

Belive in god and faith is one thing, and is a god thing.
But using the bible as it has been use by men, that a nother thing.

I dont say that Christianity is all about getting power/money, but it is hard to get around that though time, Christianity has been use to get those thing, often by the ppl behinde the bible, priests and even the pope.

Wrong on all counts, Megagame. There are a number of texts referencing Jesus, including a Jewish historian (Josephus) that would've (given his religious stance) preferred to write absolutely nothing about Jesus whatsoever. Yet, he referenced Jesus anyways, since accurate history was his main objective. Additionally, there are the events of the first century. The mass persecution and murder of any followers of Christ. Given how much they were being killed, they would have HAD to have known that Jesus was a real figure. Given that their belief stated that he lived during their very lifetimes, they would have easily been able to know whether he was real or not. Considering that they continued with their beliefs, it's pretty safe to say that they most definitely knew that Jesus did indeed exist. Additionally, there are no texts referencing the group of crazy people that believed in this man that didn't exist even though they were being killed over it. Why are there no texts? Probably because Jesus did exist.

The committee that put together the Bible weren't deciding which books were right and wrong. The group that worked on it were concerned because there were countless gnostic gospels and other false works that were constantly being written and circulated. What the committee was doing was confirming what everybody had believed was true and holy, and making it official which books were God-inspired, and which were not. When that council was held, they didn't decide which books were going to be part of the Bible. They deciphered which books had always been viewed as part of the Bible from the get-go, and made it officially known that those had always been the true works.

 Oh, I picked that up a while back investigating the universal ontology hubbub of Kabbalah, and it just stuck.  I think it's awesome to censor just the word, even when it's not considered a name.  It's like they thought Yahweh was too sacred so they shortened it to YHWH, and then that was too sacred so they said God instead, and then whoa whoa, that's too sacred so let's say G-d now. or just "Him" and whatnot.

I'm an atheist, and an existentialist to boot.  I also doubt and question everything, including existentialism and myself, but all philosophical roads lead me back to existentialism.  I love this shit.  I'm so happy.

ok

so wtf is the movie about, whats the gyst of it ?

Read my last post mars.