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We Zelda fans are

terrible, stop buying everything 16 23.19%
 
bad people, we should ask for real games 8 11.59%
 
weak spirits, we get exci... 23 33.33%
 
deku scrubs, deku scrubs 22 31.88%
 
Total:69

There's no connection whatsoever, this is a pretty vacuous thread to be honest.



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I don't see the point. The Zelda games were (mostly) extremely good. I like good games. That's it.



DerNebel said:
Alkibiádēs said:

A Japanese niche franchise that sells better because it uses an iconic franchise that is popular in the West? You don't say. Dragon Quest Heroes is selling better than HW and it only released in Japan so far. What point are you trying to make here exactly?

You're trying to spin the Zelda fanbase into mindless sheep that buy anything with a Zelda paintcoat, as if they're different from fanbases of other big franchises.

And your last sentence explains the posts I've read from you recently, thank you, I know not to bother with you anymore now.

Dragon Quest Heroes is selling better than HW in Japan because the Warriors fanbase is actually on PS (and is big on those systems) over there and yes of course there is some growth thanks to DQ but it's not even in the same league to the boost that Hyrule Warriors got thanks to being Zelda. There is one other Warriors game on Wii U, know what it sold in the west? About 50k units. How about 3DS? The one Warriors game that came to the west sold about 160k,the publisher didn't even bother bringing its successors to the west. On Wii the highest was 110k. And here comes Hyrule Warriors and sells 760k in the west.

Try and give me even one example of a crossover like this where a franchise that people initially didn't give a shit about got a boost like this because it was crossed with a popular franchise. I love Persona and especially Persona 4 but I'm not going out to buy a freaking dance game because it has the Persona 4 characters in it.

Oh and I don't know what you're getting at with your last sentence, but be my guest.

There has never been a Warriors game in the West that used a popular IP (in the West). Warriors games aren't big on any console anymore, not even the PS. Yet here we have Dragon Quest Heroes that sells a ton in just one country. It's easily going to be the best selling Warriors game in Japan.

Hyrule Warriors sold a lot less in Japan because Japanese gamers aren't into Zelda like Western gamers are. It will be the other way around for Dragon Quest Heroes. A GoW Warriors game would also sell a ton in the West, and not because GoW fans are mindless sheep that buy anything with a GoW paintcoat, but because they like the GoW universe and want to play as different characters that aren't Kratos.

Funny that you mention Persona 4: Dancing because it boosted Vita sales in Japan more than Fire Emblem: Fates boosted the 3DS.



"The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" - Thoukydides

Alkibiádēs said:
DerNebel said:
Alkibiádēs said:

A Japanese niche franchise that sells better because it uses an iconic franchise that is popular in the West? You don't say. Dragon Quest Heroes is selling better than HW and it only released in Japan so far. What point are you trying to make here exactly?

You're trying to spin the Zelda fanbase into mindless sheep that buy anything with a Zelda paintcoat, as if they're different from fanbases of other big franchises.

And your last sentence explains the posts I've read from you recently, thank you, I know not to bother with you anymore now.

Dragon Quest Heroes is selling better than HW in Japan because the Warriors fanbase is actually on PS (and is big on those systems) over there and yes of course there is some growth thanks to DQ but it's not even in the same league to the boost that Hyrule Warriors got thanks to being Zelda. There is one other Warriors game on Wii U, know what it sold in the west? About 50k units. How about 3DS? The one Warriors game that came to the west sold about 160k,the publisher didn't even bother bringing its successors to the west. On Wii the highest was 110k. And here comes Hyrule Warriors and sells 760k in the west.

Try and give me even one example of a crossover like this where a franchise that people initially didn't give a shit about got a boost like this because it was crossed with a popular franchise. I love Persona and especially Persona 4 but I'm not going out to buy a freaking dance game because it has the Persona 4 characters in it.

Oh and I don't know what you're getting at with your last sentence, but be my guest.

There has never been a Warriors game in the West that used a popular IP (in the West). Warriors games aren't big on any console anymore, not even the PS. Yet here we have Dragon Quest Heroes that sells a ton in just one country. It's easily going to be the best selling Warriors game in Japan.

Hyrule Warriors sold a lot less in Japan because Japanese gamers aren't into Zelda like Western gamers are. It will be the other way around for Dragon Quest Heroes. A GoW Warriors game would also sell a ton in the West, and not because GoW fans are mindless sheep that buy anything with a GoW paintcoat, but because they like the GoW universe and want to play as different characters that aren't Kratos.

Funny that you mention Persona 4: Dancing because it boosted Vita sales in Japan more than Fire Emblem: Fates boosted the 3DS.


Persona fans confirmed mindless sheep.



Oh, I think that the boss battles are way better in the Majora's remake. Gyorg and Odolwa just sucked on the N64, in the remake I had a lot of fun with them. Goth is almost the same, and I absolutely loved the Twinmold battle, I was very confused at the beginning, and I had fun discovering what they've changed. But to each his own I guess :P.



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I'm part of your problem, I buy everything that's related to Zelda. It's like an addiction; I don't particularly like the existence of Triforce Heroes (god, the name, I just can't get over it, the lame uninspired genericness) and feel it's a useless addition with a bad idea that only wasted time of Zelda U development, but I'll still get it sometime. I just can't see myself having a shelf full of Zelda games and have one missing. I would kick myself.

Anyway, we buying stuff probably isn't the reason for the Metroid situation. Nintendo is just making weird decisions right now. I don't see why we couldn't have a real 2D Metroid instead, but maybe that's me.



Should I blame the Zelda fans for Mario & Luigi Paper Jam too ?



Edwardooo said:
Should I blame the Zelda fans for Mario & Luigi Paper Jam too ?

But Paper Jam is awesome. 



Alkibiádēs said:
DerNebel said:

Dragon Quest Heroes is selling better than HW in Japan because the Warriors fanbase is actually on PS (and is big on those systems) over there and yes of course there is some growth thanks to DQ but it's not even in the same league to the boost that Hyrule Warriors got thanks to being Zelda. There is one other Warriors game on Wii U, know what it sold in the west? About 50k units. How about 3DS? The one Warriors game that came to the west sold about 160k,the publisher didn't even bother bringing its successors to the west. On Wii the highest was 110k. And here comes Hyrule Warriors and sells 760k in the west.

Try and give me even one example of a crossover like this where a franchise that people initially didn't give a shit about got a boost like this because it was crossed with a popular franchise. I love Persona and especially Persona 4 but I'm not going out to buy a freaking dance game because it has the Persona 4 characters in it.

Oh and I don't know what you're getting at with your last sentence, but be my guest.

There has never been a Warriors game in the West that used a popular IP (in the West).  Warriors games aren't big on any console anymore, not even the PS. Yet here we have Dragon Quest Heroes that sells a ton in just one country. It's easily going to be the best selling Warriors game in Japan.

Hyrule Warriors sold a lot less in Japan because Japanese gamers aren't into Zelda like Western gamers are. It will be the other way around for Dragon Quest Heroes.

A GoW Warriors game would also sell a ton in the West, and not because GoW fans are mindless sheep that buy anything with a GoW paintcoat, but because they like the GoW universe and want to play as different characters that aren't Kratos.

Funny that you mention Persona 4: Dancing because it boosted Vita sales in Japan more than Fire Emblem: Fates boosted the 3DS.

There has never been a Warriors game that was popular in the west, period. Warriors games were never big on consoles outside of Japan and in Japan they still are, Dynasty Warriors still sells several 100k per main entry. And in what world is Dragon Quest Heroes going to be the best selling Warriors title in Japan? With these legs? Warriors games are ridiculously frontloaded, that game is never going to break a million like some other Warriors titles have.

Hyrule Warriors mainly sold a lot less in Japan because the Warriors fanbase is not on Wii U, Hyrule Warriors sold less than the average Warriors and the average Zelda game over there.

And if the best thing you can come up with is some hypothetical scenario then you maybe don't have a leg to stand on. 

Again, extremely unpopular series/genre with the paint of an extremely popular series resulting in a huge sales spike of several 100% for the unpopular series, can you think of one other example like that, cause I sure can't. Also that Persona argument doesn't work in Japan (and btw. what in the world is with that comparison. This one game boosted this systems sales more than that other game that has nothing to do with it boosted that other system, so?) as dance/rhythm games are actually popular over there. 



ARamdomGamer said:
Edwardooo said:
Should I blame the Zelda fans for Mario & Luigi Paper Jam too ?

But Paper Jam is awesome. 


I hated the last Mario & Luigi game and I hated the last Paper Mario game, I'm pretty sure it's normal if I feel unconfident about a crossover of these two.

And I wanted a proper Paper Mario game. Blame you, Zelda fans !