if most agree that the 3DS is the one being "replaced" soon, then the first NX iteration will be a handheld, and that obviously wont compete with PS4. Zelda U being postponed until NX for a cross gen release is another popular theory, so that basically tells us how powerful the NX hh will be (around Wii U more or less).

Looking at it in that sense, there won't need to be a "home version" of NX early on, as Wii U will basically be the home version to get some cross gen support. For Ninty they are now full entrenched in HD development, so whatever is being done on WIi U will be moved to NX, and that's a good way to reuse/continue building assets and also a slick way of rebranding. (just like when GCN failed, nintendo basically just upclocked specs for Wii). Nintendo won't push the home console level (NX line) until U gets replaced, and when it does, I don't expect a big jump regardless (xb1-ish levels).

I believe if NX handheld comes out in 2016, the home version will release in 2017 or later.

nintendo since the wii tries to put some original flavour in their console, the thing is that thing add costs to the machine, so; because of that it can be as powerfull as the other consoles. AND because of the is that the 3rd party support sucks.

Nintendo needs to make a comparable console power-wise in order to get 3rd party support. It maybe could run the games inn 720p also loosing a bit of graphical fidelity; while still having their "thing"

Wii U had bad launch, bad name, bad marketing, high price, weak launch titles, software drouths...all that lead to terrible sale in first year that leads to third parties abandoning console. I can't see Nintendo making all that bad decisions again on one console.

I don't agree at all. I think it is one of their primary focuses. If what you're saying is true, those games would be considered a waste of recourses. There's no reason at all to make games like that in that case. Nintendo constantly refers to its audience as "gamers" something with a negative stigma to casuals. Nintendo may make a lot of everyone games, but that does not mean they aren't trying to target a core audience, even agressively. They absolutely are.

Im under the much more likely belief that Nintendo are simply run by a bunch of morons who think the fans want this stuff. They don't sound like they're targeting a different audience. They just sound ignorant.

The Wii U didn't fail because it tried to target a casual audience. The Wii U failed because Nintendo though this is what could get back the core audience. Of course it's a high priority for them. They are just stupid because the whole fucking company is run by people who don't play games.

Iwata? Coder. Not a gamer. Miyamoto? Developer. Self admittedly not a gamer. Reggie? Fucking obviously not a gamer. But all of these people have this dangerous ignorance because they THINK they know what we want better than we do.

Almost all those mistakes already happened with the 3DS, and Nintendo said "we've learned from those mistakes". And then came WiiU...

They will probably (I hope) try to not make all those bad decisions again, but you can bet that one or two will happen.

I think the bottom line is Nintendo simply does not want to compete with Sony *and* Microsoft. If it was just Sony, that I think they could deal with. Sony is a much smaller company and there's much more room to be profitable even at no.2.

The N64 was a big money maker even at no.2 and that machine would've easily sold double (65-70 million units) if they had used CD-ROM instead versus the Playstation.

But Microsoft just makes the whole "go make a regular console Nintendo!" too untenable to Nintendo. There's not enough room for three consoles that basically all do the same thing and three companies all bidding for the same third party games.

It just leads into a rat race that isn't appealing to Nintendo because Microsoft can simply spend more money and then Nintendo has to match or respond somehow because that are in direct competition.

MS is the one that screwed up everything for Nintendo in the traditional console space, Apple is the one that screwed up everything with casuals for Nintendo. So that's two poisoned wells for them.

Is that why Microsoft with all the cash have won every gen? Oh wait!

Why is it that the company with the most struggles when it comes to finances is the one on top, with the most games, with the better games, with all the 3rd party support? Nintendo and Microsoft have more money than Sony, so?

handheld and/or microconsole confirmed.

"Only diehard Nintendo fans are going to be satisfied with a console that will probably be only 2x-3x the power of the Wii U"

you're a hater and that hardware power equals a ps4 (3x wii u).

"especially against a $199 PS4 AND a (most likely) $399 beast of a machine PS5 just a year or so around the corner."

lol at ps5 a beast of a machine for $399. the ps4 is a mid end machine and so will ps5 be. a beast of a machine would cost $599 at launch and diminishing returns would make the extra power pointless.

"However, given how the relatively weak Wii U lost them money at $299/$349"

I can't stretch how ignorant it is to say wii u was weak. the price was right for what it offered.