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jonathanalis on 27 June 2015

just what i thought when i first read iwata quotes.
And i think that makes sense.
Nintendo struggle to develop a continuous stream of games for 3DS and wii U, and they are adding NX and mobile.
If they keep only NX and mobile, is possible to bring a satisfatory stream of games for both systems. But if they keep 3DS it will be harder to achieve.
Also, if 3DS and wii U keep the same lifetime as their predecessors, the end of their lifetimes would be at the same time. With both sucessors came at the same time, it could be a single hybrid/fusion system.



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AnthonyW86 on 27 June 2015
Soundwave said:
AnthonyW86 said:
Dr.Vita said:
It is really predictable that NX will be a fusion between both.


The question now is will NX be one console or a platform for multiple? I hope it's the latter because one systrm that also has to be mobile(tablet?) will be limited in power.

The fusion idea does kinda require the portable and home variant to be somewhat close in power. There's no point in doing the idea to begin with if the gap between the home version and the portable version is so large that many/most games basically have to be redesigned to work on the other device. 

I think 300-400 GFLOPS for the handheld version and 700GFLOPS - 1 TFLOP for the home version is a reasonable gap.


Well not necessarily they could make the home console more powerfull but they would have to leave some power untapped to keep it compatibel. That extra power would come in handy for any PS4/XBOne multi platform games. As long as it meets some minimum requirements especially in the cpu/memory department(PS4/XboxOne aren't really strong cpu wise anyway), and the gpu needs to be modern enough. I've seen 8th gen multi platform games run fine on 300-400 gflops AMD apu's.(Witcher 3 even runs on a 200-300 gflops A6 APU, though not completely smooth).



Soundwave on 27 June 2015
AnthonyW86 said:
Soundwave said:
AnthonyW86 said:
Dr.Vita said:
It is really predictable that NX will be a fusion between both.


The question now is will NX be one console or a platform for multiple? I hope it's the latter because one systrm that also has to be mobile(tablet?) will be limited in power.

The fusion idea does kinda require the portable and home variant to be somewhat close in power. There's no point in doing the idea to begin with if the gap between the home version and the portable version is so large that many/most games basically have to be redesigned to work on the other device. 

I think 300-400 GFLOPS for the handheld version and 700GFLOPS - 1 TFLOP for the home version is a reasonable gap.


Well not necessarily they could make the home console more powerfull but they would have to leave some power untapped to keep it compatibel. That extra power would come in handy for any PS4/XBOne multi platform games. As long as it meets some minimum requirements especially in the cpu/memory department(PS4/XboxOne aren't really strong cpu wise anyway), and the gpu needs to be modern enough. I've seen 8th gen multi platform games run fine on 300-400 gflops AMD apu's.(Witcher 3 even runs on a 200-300 gflops A6 APU, though not completely smooth).

Depends on how interested Nintendo really is on having PS4/X1 ports too. It didn't help them much having PS3/360 ports with Wii U. 

Like you said though, if a developer can get a version of something like Witcher 3 to run at a 400 GFLOP-range ... well there you go then I guess. 



Smear-Gel on 27 June 2015

I hate the idea of a fusion and hope it doesnt exist



David_Hernandeez on 27 June 2015
Conina said:
JNK said:

They said previous the NX will be a complete new system which will coexist next to wii u and 3ds. If this is right, all his quotes would still fit perfectly.

This is what they showed so far. 

The NX could be somethign that isnt a home console or a handheld. I dont know what it is then though.

Of course a NX-handheld or a NX-console has to coexist with wii u and 3ds for a while, especially if NX ain't backwards compatible. Your picture is describing a shared membership service for all these devices. You have your NNID and can log in with that account on you Wii U, your 3DS, one of your NX-devices, on your PC (Club Nintendo) and soon on your smartphone/tablet (Nintendo-app for iOS/Android). They are planning a combined eShop for 3DS, Wii U, NX-devices and you can probably buy new games for these systems via your web-browser on any device or via the Nintendo-app on your smartphone/tablet. You can probably see the status of your friends in the Nintendo-app and send them messages from your smartphone and check the Miiverse from your smartphone.

This connectivity is nothing new outside Nintendo's bubble... it's what consumers expect nowadays:

PS3 + PSP also coexist with PS4 + Vita... that doesn't mean that the PS4 ain't the successor of the PS3 or that the Vita ain't the successor of the PSP. Sony also has a shared membership service for all these devices. You have your PlayStation-account and can log in with that account on you PS4, PS3, Vita, PSP, on your PC (web-browser) and on your smartphone/tablet (PlayStation-app for iOS/Android). Sony has a combined PlayStation Store for PS4, PS3, Vita, PSP and you can buy new games for these systems via your web-browser on any device or via the PlayStation-app on your smartphone/tablet and remote install them on the compatible devices. You can see the status of your friends in the PlayStation-app and send them messages from your smartphone and check your trophies from your smartphone.

Xbox 360, Xbox One, Windows and Windows Phone also coexist with each other... that doesn't mean that the Xbox One ain't the successor of the 360. Microsoft also has a shared membership service for all these devices, I use the same Microsoft-account for my (RRoD) 360, my Xbox One and my Windows tablet... my desktop PC will join with Windows 10 and I have used that account for GfWL in the past. That account even works in the Microsoft-apps on iOS and Android; you can also buy 360- and XBO-games on your PC (web-browser) and on your smartphone/tablet (SmartGlass-app for iOS/Android/WP) and remote install them on the compatible devices. Some of Microsoft's marketplaces/stores are still separated, but they will be joined with Windows 10 soon. You can see the status of your friends in the SmartGlass-app and send them messages from your smartphone and check your achievements from your smartphone.

Even Steam has a shared membership service for many different devices (desktop PCs, laptops, tablets, smartphones, Steam Machines). You can buy Steam games for your account on a different PC (web-browser) and on your smartphone/tablet (Steam-app for iOS/Android) and remote install them on the compatible devices. You can see the status of your friends in the Steam-app and send them messages from your smartphone and check your achievements/library/inventory/news from your smartphone.

I liked how nobody replay to you, after all those people that are sure about the NX been the succesor of the wii u, you are de only one that makes sense about what the NX could be. I just one to be that day that they reveal it to prove that most people are wrong...



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LipeJJ on 27 June 2015

I hope the NX is a hybrid indeed, it's the only "safe" way to make a hit system in the current situation, and this would be perfect for us, gamers, since their teams would pull more games out cause they'd have to just work with 1 thing.



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Soundwave on 27 June 2015

Even if we look at it logically ...

OK, so "traditionalists" who can't imagine the Fusion concept, their idea is basically this ... that Nintendo will just keep on doing what they've been doing for the 20 years or so. Well lets actually spell out what that means.

So that means a discreet home console about as powerful as the PS4. OK.

Then there naturally has to be a separate, discreet handheld. And since that will need a tech boost over 3DS, lets boost those specs up to Wii U levels, right?

OK, so pretty normal.

The issue with this is it's impossible to manage with modern development costs. Nintendo cannot supply enough software for two machines that powerful (neither would Sony or Microsoft).

Conservatively you need 7 games/year for each, probably more like 9-12 in the heavier years. Nintendo cannot make that many HD projects per year not with hardware at that visual fidelity.

Look at how much trouble Sony has had getting their software going on the PS4 alone, and they basically ditched the Vita already. Now imagine Nintendo trying to support a PS4 level system largely on their own and then also having to make games for a PS3-level handheld, which would require more attention because it would likely be the bigger seller.

And they can't rely on third parties to be there for them either. Bringing their handheld and console lines together and joining them is really their only logical play.



NintendoPie on 27 June 2015
Carl2291 said:
I changed your title, Iwata didnt really confirm anything here.

It's hard to even say how a rumor could form from this.

Actually, if you shake your computer around a little, turn your head sideways, and really imagine I guess one could see it.



AnthonyW86 on 28 June 2015
NintendoPie said:
Carl2291 said:
I changed your title, Iwata didnt really confirm anything here.

It's hard to even say how a rumor could form from this.

Actually, if you shake your computer around a little, turn your head sideways, and really imagine I guess one could see it.


Well don't shake it around to much, hate to be the one to blame if you break it. :-p



Pavolink on 29 June 2015

It looks like, even most if all the NX devices will be sharing most of the library.



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