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I know I'm going to be called a troll, but I think the obscure truth about this country's history should be known.

The US, since its inception, was founded by white, western Europeans for western Europeans only. It is actually against the Founding Fathers' wishes for any non-white to live here and hold citizenship.

Based on excerpts from the Founding Fathers, one could even argue that it's unconstitutional for non-whites to live in the US. At that point in time when the Constitution was first drafted, it is probable that the Founding Fathers were only referring to white people when they used the term "men".

If you google and look around, Jefferson said that the US would be dominated by whites and that the Native Americans would be displaced.

Even disregarding what the Founding Fathers wanted, I don't even see why you consider non-white immigration a positive, as there is no benefit socially or economically for immigration.

More than not, immigrants cause a drain in public finances, commit more crime, and stagnate wages. Racially homogeneous populations with relatively high IQs are the most conducive for success.

Of course, I don't blame immigrants for wanting to go to countries that they themselves can not build, but my question to them is where they will go once the white people die out and the US turns into a 3rd world country like the country they tried to escape from.

You can not run from your problems. Stay in your own countries and fix your own problems. Don't bother other countries.



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rolltide101x said:
Thank God people here aren't in politics. Obama has caused more debt than EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT EVER PUT TOGETHER and is pushing the U.S. to socialism. He has done more damage than any president.

I've got him tied 4th worst president.

Worst : Wilson (Created Federal reserve, got the USA into WW1, disastrous league of nations)

2nd worst : Nixon (Took USA off gold standard (Thus setting the stage for the endless wars funded by printed monopoly money), expanded Vietnam war, Watergate)

3rd Worst : Bush Jr (Started Afghanistan, Iraq wars, complete buffoon, patriot act)

Obama/Clinton tie : Obama - (Massive expansion of USA debt, Obamacare (Caused millions of full time jobs to go part time so employers didn't have to pay healthcare coverage), bombing Libya without congressional approval (!), banker bailouts/Too big to fail banks)

Clinton - (Repealed Glass-Steagal, DMCA, NAFTA)

 

This off the top of my head but i'm sure there are plenty more reasons for these guys.



Goatseye said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Lol, sorry Obama is the worst president I've been alive to witness. Maybe Bush, nah I'll nudge Obama over him.

Bush fucked up CIA intel to prevent 9/11, fed the fat cats at Wall Street until he sent US economy to the pits of hell. Obama is no angel but don't clutter him with Bush even if you don't like his person.

Comparing everything they've done, I'm still going to nudge Obama above Bush. 



NobleTeam360 said:
Lol, sorry Obama is the worst president I've been alive to witness. Maybe Bush, nah I'll nudge Obama over him.


NOBLE WHY NOT OUR HOMEBOY BARACK



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carl_barx said:
SamuelRSmith said:
 

a) That is a very unsubstantiated graph. Both how deficits and GDP are measured have changed over time. In addition to this, GDP is dramatically higher, thus you can have higher deficits at a lower "percentage of GDP". The point may still be correct, I don't know, but that graph isn't evidence.

b) Yes, they are.

c) The economic crisis of 2008 was bigger than any one President. The housing bubble was a result of loose monetary policy from the Federal Reserve, with cash flowing out of the dotcom bust and into housing. It can be argued that specific policies channeled this flow into housing, from both the Bush and Clinton administrations... however, that bubble would have just formed elsewhere.

There are still bubbles waiting to be popped... tech, cars, stock market, etc. Buckle yourself in, we're in for one wild ride.

the housing bubble had nothing AT ALL to do with the federal reserve or with the dotcom bubble of 2000-01 (the latter is a separate economic recession resulting from speculation on internet startups, and the former has actually helped, through quantitative easing, to keep interest rates down during the recession and encourage investment)... it had to do with deregulation of the banks begun by reagan, continued (unfortunately) by clinton and congressional republicans, and continued even more enthusiastically by george w. bush (all wikipedia, hopefully you don't think they're left-wing...).

as for your catastrophism about the future, i can't really answer to that. you can't safeguard against all risk, but to be honest, it is republican economic policy that caused the great recession for the most part, and i think that needs to be recognized (which, to be fair, you sort of do in your post above).

Unfortunately, you are wrong as well.

Deregulation is irrelevant to this discussion. Banks don't stupidly hand out loans to people who can't possibly pay them back unless they were sponsored and insured by the government, which they were.

The housing bubble was created by entitlement policies spearheaded by the left. Back then, Liberals thought having a big, 6-bedroom house was a 'human right', so they used the government to force banks to give out millions in loans to minimum-wage earners. They assumed that these borrowers would keep the house for 5 or so years and then sell it when the price of the house was much higher thanks to the bubble. Banks, being reasonable, was cautious about such an arrangement, since if the bubble popped, those who are currently waiting for their housing values to appreciate would be in the red.

The government assured the banks that if the bubble did pop, the government would cover their outstanding balances. This was the green-light the banks needed to make reckless loans. Think about it. They're already making huge profits from the housing bubble, and if the bubble does pop, the government would bail them out. It's a win-win situation for them.

The housing market collapse was the result of government interference in the housing market.



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ReimTime said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Lol, sorry Obama is the worst president I've been alive to witness. Maybe Bush, nah I'll nudge Obama over him.


NOBLE WHY NOT OUR HOMEBOY BARACK

Lmao, I don't agree with any of his policies other than making 2 year colleges free and raising the minimum wage. 



NobleTeam360 said:
ReimTime said:


NOBLE WHY NOT OUR HOMEBOY BARACK

Lmao, I don't agree with any of his policies other than making 2 year colleges free and raising the minimum wage. 


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ReimTime said:
NobleTeam360 said:

Lmao, I don't agree with any of his policies other than making 2 year colleges free and raising the minimum wage. 


HELP MY CAPS LOCK IS STUCK ON

Nothing is free



Low78wagon said:
ReimTime said:


HELP MY CAPS LOCK IS STUCK ON

Nothing is free


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GuyWithHighIQ said:







Racially homogeneous populations with relatively high IQs are the most conducive for success.

 

 


Not really since Japan has more finacial problems then the US and as far as having a homogeneus population goes you can't get more homogeneous then Japan they hardly have any ethnic or racial minorities and very few immigrants.  As a matter of fact most countries that have a very homogeneous populations are screwed in the long run since they all have declining populations.