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If it is free and they keep me happy and want to go back and play the game I am Ok with it.

They could have just taken off the disc. and ask you to pay a pound for a map download would have that been better then?

really guys. think before you speak!



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fedfed said:
If it is free and they keep me happy and want to go back and play the game I am Ok with it.

They could have just taken off the disc. and ask you to pay a pound for a map download would have that been better then?

really guys. think before you speak!

Or they could have released with all the content?



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twintail said:

 

Whats ironic is ppl claiming how Nintendo is giving them free content when said content is already on the disc you own.

The fact that anyone actually thinks Nintendo is doing you a favour here, or that this content is infact free DLC is laughable at best.

They are not only withholding content for you to use until they say so, but the content was advertised as free DLC when its not (unless of course newer content is in fact downloadable) and that doesnt even take into account the content that is on disc that requires you to pay extra to actually access.

So yeah, you are right that other companies have bad DLC practices. But honestly, Nintendo is not not some revolutionary company here. How Splatoon content is being released... I can see the positives to it of course.

But if you really want to talk about getting free content go and buy DriveClub and see what actual free DLC updates every month for 6 months is like.


Except companies like Capcom and EA have had content on disc and actually charged people and they're far from the only ones as well.



biglittlesps said:
Finanzminister said:
Splatoon maybe cost 60$, but look how much Battlefield Hardline costs or what they want for BF4 (which was broken as fuck) to get the "Premium" aka Standard Edition.

I would rather pay 100 for Splatoon in the current form before EA get 79+ Bucks from me for their uninspired and broken garbage, Content is important but the gameplay is the real deal. Go play Counter Strike for comparison there are thousands of Maps and how many do they play, 3? 4? And I mean literally since decades!!

So I am ok with paying 60$ for Splatoon.

Paying and supporting less content game for $60 is like asking developers to focus on only mutliplayer with fun maps instead of giving more cotent thats worth of that price and also skip single player totally in future which is bad for industry. Splatoon is a cash grab try by Nintendo by pricing at $60 and locking some content behind Amiboo so they are extracating more money out of a small budget/Indie level efforts game compared to AAA level game budgets and efforts needd by other game developers. Splatoon is good fun game but the pricce and content they offer is not worth. Just because the game is fun does not mean we have to pay $60 for a 30-40$ efforts game and its ok if any is fine with ths but they should remember that they are supporting a bad practice here which might hurt all gamers in future.

I agree with the Amiibo Opinion its a fair point to claim that poor attempt to grab 15 for one Gear Set/Weapon/Minigame (ironicly i do have all three Splatoon Amiibos for colletor reasons but yeah the digital Content is BS).

Besides that, you all seem right the content (from Releasepoint) is bad, 5 Maps/2 Mods and a pretty short Singleplayer, is meh, but again, i did play pretty much every Shooter since 1997 and after Call of Duty 1/UO, Unreal Tournament 2004/UT3 and yeah Modern Warfare 1 there was a HUGE(!) Gap until something good did come back. (Yeah ok Gears of War 2 was pretty awesome too)

All shooter games between Modern Warfare 1 and Splatoon never exceeded something good or even great/special, i know many love Black Ops or Bad Company or Battlefield 3 but for me they repeat the same formula over and over and over, which is ok if they keep some effort to keep it fresh, but literaly ever one or two years?

I am a great fan of Mario which is also the same over and over but look at Sunshine -> Galaxy -> 3D World then look at Modern Shooter (Series), "same" core Gameplay but Boy there is no Soul (anymore). 

So to build a bridge to Splatoon, yes the Content (for now) is limited, the Price may look high if you look at a Skyrim or Witcher 3 and the Amiibo Features are indeed a cashgrab. But believe me, since years its the very first shooter i finaly can enjoy, because its so so so awesome! And if you are thirsty for years for a fresh shooter which is more Arena Shooter like Quake or Unreal Tournament (and you own a Wii U) you happily give them 60€.

You say thats a bad sign given to future games, i simply say, finally some one made a worthy shooter which holds up its expectation.



midrange said:
The_Yoda said:
midrange said:
Attiq said:


And I hope you realise what you might deem "appropriate" that I do not. This the beauty of us not all being clones of each other but instead we are individuals. I think that Splatoon is a perfect step for kids interested in FPS.

Well yes, not all games appeal to everyone, but you are flat out ignoring a genre of gaming and acting as if splatoon is the first game to have done things right. The games I listed are rated T or below, and I will also include timesplitters 2 and metroid prime trilogy (both are also rated T) as examples of games that can be enjoyed by everyone (I am enjoying metroid prime 2: echoes now actually). Splatoon may be good for a child, but metroid prime is literally one of the greatest games of all time, and it is rated T just like super smash bros brawl

Lol when my son was 8 Metroid Prime would have given him nightmares.  You ignored my question about having played Splatoon.  You may well ignore this one too: Do you have children?  I see you are 42, if you did have children would you have let them watch Nightmare on Elm Street when they were 8? What about a Porno? Some things are apporpriate at different ages and for different people. That is why we have a rating system. It is why most of the world has rating systems for various media.

I ignored it initially but I will not any longer, telling someone how to raise their chidren or what they should expose their children to is not very classy. Double so when you don't even know the child.  Notice neither of us said anything like  NO Children should play COD before they are teens. We were talking about our children.  If you haven't even played the game itself you have not even a leg to stand on when it comes to what a child should play, or if it is even a good introduction to the genere.

Woah, please keep in mind that I am not forcing anyone to play anything. I am simply offering suggestions on other fps games that are made with everyone in mind, mostly to counter the claim earlier that splatoon was the first of its kind to do this.

I have not played splatoon. That said, I do not need to have played it to make reasonable assumptions, that is the whole point of reviews and ratings.

Letting a child watch Nightmare on Elm Street would be like letting them play COD. I am not fine with that.

Letting a child watch The Avengers would be like letting them play portal 2. That I am fine with.

And no,  I am not a parent, but I am a college student with a 13 year old brother and an 8 year old brother. The rating system is also not perfect. I would put halo (assuming there is no cussing in the dialogue) as rated T (it shares many similarities to destiny which is rated T). I would also put Majora's Mask as rated T (I find that just as dark and scary as metroid prime). I have let my 8 year old brother play pikmin 3 (E10), Wonderful 101 (T), super smash bros brawl (T), and I could most definitely let him play portal 2 (E10)

Again,  I am not saying splatoon is a bad "intro to fps game," I am arguing about the claim that it is the first game in the fps genre to be made with everyone in mind (shown higher up) given the other games I mentioned that are fps and rated T and below

at first bolded ... I think you may be confusing me with another poster on this point, I didn't say that but you came close with this  ..."Well yes, not all games appeal to everyone, but you are flat out ignoring a genre of gaming and acting as if splatoon is the first game to have done things right."

 

At  second bolded ... but you did say exactly that ..."Splatoon really should not be the first fps for a 14 year old interested in the fps genre considering there are other appropriate classics"

I won't even say you are wrong with what you said there, the other games you mentioned would be alright for my 14 year old, but splatoon is a blast in my opinion, and could be an alright option for introducing a younger player to the genre.

 

The rating system isn't perfect, it is a guidline rather than a law (not trying to say laws are perfect ...)

 



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SWORDF1SH said:

Trim your trees people! 


long conversation and i didn't want to quote out of context anymore than I had to



The_Yoda said:

at first bolded ... I think you may be confusing me with another poster on this point, I didn't say that but you came close with this  ..."Well yes, not all games appeal to everyone, but you are flat out ignoring a genre of gaming and acting as if splatoon is the first game to have done things right."

 

At  second bolded ... but you did say exactly that ..."Splatoon really should not be the first fps for a 14 year old interested in the fps genre considering there are other appropriate classics"

I won't even say you are wrong with what you said there, the other games you mentioned would be alright for my 14 year old, but splatoon is a blast in my opinion, and could be an alright option for introducing a younger player to the genre.

 

The rating system isn't perfect, it is a guidline rather than a law (not trying to say laws are perfect ...)

 

@ the bolded, if it is true, my apologies, I did not mean to confuse you with the other commentator

@ the underlined, I do agree with both statements even though they may seem to contradict each other.

While splatoon is a good intro to the fps genre, a 14 year old would be 13 by the age of splatoon's announcement. If at any point in between Splatoon's announcement and release that kid shows in interest in the fps genre, it would have been a great idea to get him to play portal 2 or metroid prime, rather than to have him wait for splatoon. This is why I am annoyed when people claim splatoon to be the first age appropriate shooter (not directed to you obviously, just the idea that is being passed around). Because critically received fps titles get overlooked by a game with average reviews.



twintail said:
Wyrdness said:


Except companies like Capcom and EA have had content on disc and actually charged people and they're far from the only ones as well.


What exactly is your point? Nintendo is charging ppl for some of the content on their disc too. Don't make it sound like these companies were doing something underhanded and Nintendo isn't. The end result is exactly the same, just because your get a fancy little figure to go with it does not really change what it indeed is: keeping content back for you to pay extra to get.  Plain and simple.

And their delivery of their free content is still (atm) witholding content from you. The fact that it is free should not even be the consolation consideration here: of course the content is free, you already paid for it. 

Again we're not paying for the content so holding it back to release later is not exactly as big an issue, these companies actually made you pay for what's already on the disc multiple times. In regards to Amiibos they work across various game and will have support for years to come that's what people get on top of buying them this is why the DLC comparison is some what amusing as how much DLC is compatible with future games, other game series and different platforms from the same developer.



If they release all DLC free, that would show good business practice that others should follow. I payed for DB Xenoverse and then another $25 for DLC. Really, it is a ripoff, and I don't want to ever pay that much again for DLC.