Again with this topic. Third parties dont need nintendo and nintendo fans are fine with no Third parties support. Nothing will change this gen and honestly neither next gen.

The "Wii U owners should put up/shouldn't put up with X/Y/Z" is a false arguement anyway.

Most Wii U who would have interest in games like COD, AC, Destiny, etc. etc. don't buy only Nintendo consoles. Probably the majority of "Nintendo fans" learned a long time ago to buy a Playstation or XBox if they have a big desire for "non-Nintendo" software at some point in the last 20 years. 

So they have access to all third party content one way or another.

The Nintendo fan that only buys Nintendo hardware likely doesn't have much of an interest in the types of third party games the PS/XBox get. 

So which audience here is really being victimized? The Nintendo-only gamer who's dying to play Calladooty? This audience doesn't exist. This is just outrage for the sake of being outraged. No one in the Nintendo community really give two farts about having Project: CARS on the Wii U. 

Is this Nintendo fans? I am reading this stuff from the gaming news sites.

Really, that's what u got out of what I said? Splatoon & Mario Maker are all Nintendo needed for Wii U? Sometimes I feel like you act ignorant on purpose so u can argue for the sake of argument.

-heavier investment in new ip/new ideas

-strong, focused advertising/marketing

-increased & consistent software output

-more mass market launch price

So no, simply releasing Splatoon/Mario Maker and calling it a day is not what I'm suggesting, I'm stating we need more games that feel new & fresh that are simple yet fun and appeal to multiple demographics.

They need to find a better way to appeal to teenagers and adults. As much as I think Splatoon looks interesting, that character design is simply too kid-centric. Then you have something like Yoshi's Wooly World, which lets be honest ... unless you are a big Nintendo fan, very, very few adults would look at that and want to invest 10+ hours into a $50 game like that. 

I know people will say "well you watch Pixar movies right?!" ... yeah sure. But that's an $8 investment and 90 minutes of my time that I watch passively. And I like most adults watch maybe 1 animated film a year at best out of maybe the 10-20+ times I go to a movie theater. 

That doesn't mean they have to go all dark and violent like third parties do, the actual sweet spot for a design that both kids and teenagers and adults will all buy into is what Marvel Comics does -- still bright, colorful, and full of fantasy so that kids like it, but adults can perfectly enjoy it too. 

I think that's one of their biggest problems. A game like Splatoon doesn't really appeal to everyone because a lot of people won't play it because of the look of the game ... and that's a problem. 

Maybe. Funny enough MS fans do the same this gen, gimped version, lacking feature or DLC. Maybe only Nintendo fans are smart.

Or the alternative, most people don't even know which version is best, or if it's late or lacking content. They see trailer, add, preview and buy the game. Nintendo fans don't do it because they either like 3rd parties and so have other console to buy they there Or don't care at all and wouldn't buy anyway. You can't say you really like 3rd parties and just buy Nintendo hw, so they are valid scenarios validated by Iwata.

Are Nintendo fans the only smart ones fighting all the evil 3rd party companies.

Point taken. But did it suck enough for a 80% less sale on twice as big userbase? Did everyone knew it sucked before hand since most copies sell early on?

Nintendo fans aren't some sinuglar monolithic group. Many of us do play third party games ... we just opt to play them on the Playstation or XBox that have in addition to our Nintendo console. The actual number of Nintendo fans who alter their buying patterns based on some kind of internet vendetta is probably less than 1% I would say. Don't confuse a group of people making a lot of noise on an internet message board for an actual majority. 

There is more than just 13-35 year old males that enjoy games. Kids, females, parents, these are types of gamers Nintendo should heavily invest in.

Of course that doesn't mean Nintendo should completely ignore teenage/adult males but they shouldn't be the main focus, there should be a healthy mix of support for all types of demographics. Nintendo should continue and increase what they have done with games like Bayonetta 2, Fatal Frame V, Devil's Third while expanding on that and get some more western focused titles thrown in the mix.

The problem with this is none of the games you've listed enter into the type of mass market sweet spot I'm talking about. 

You don't want to have a game that will just automatically be ignored by 13-35 year old males either, because the audience base for just a kids game can be limited. Beyond that kids themselves often don't want a game that looks like its tailor made for them. The avergae 11 year old would probably rather play Call of Duty rather than Yoshi's Wooly World or even Splatoon. They don't want the game that looks like it's "mom approved". 

Bayonetta 2, Fatal Frame V, etc. are too violent, they don't compliment or work with things like Nintendo's core brands (Mario, Pokemon, Zelda) at all. 

The sweet spot today and I've said this before is the Marvel formula. They can appeal to kids, adults, and teenagers all at the same time without getting into a territory that's so violent/dark that it alienates the younger side of the audience, but doesn't get so kid-centric that it turns off adults. Star Wars is another brand license that does this very well. 

No wonder Disney paid out the ass to get both of them.