So you think a shooter and another Mario was going to do the trick? OK

So Ninty is burdened to try to desperately find the next big thing or be doomed to sales like this? OK but that seems pretty hopeless and erractic didnt really work for WIi U.

Yea I agree! It is certainly a little bit of both

or maybe they just like to play games that they believe are good? Have a wider variety of tastes. Or maybe its time to admit that the Ninty systems do not have an audience for certain types of games. I'm surprised it took this long for this silly comment to be made.

I dont see the deal of a game being a late port, if its good people will buy it, not everyone who wanted a game was able to do so intially or even have the system. thats why the excuses are just that, excuses if they wanted the games on the systems they would sell. Lets not pretend like the games on WIi U are SO unplayable, give me a break.

Well, I gotta go to sleep so u can have the last word but I will end off with this. While I agree that Nintendo systems don't have an audience for certain types of games, imo, it is more due to the fact that the ports are gimped in someway that Nintendo fans won't pay for it and/or they have another platform which is very likely where they can just buy the better versions of the games. I would never, ever pay full price for a game that is gimped in someway because thats just nonsense to me... There are far better games where my money can go to and I do think that many Nintendo fans are like that which is why they buy Nintendo games more than third party games which have issues.

And yes, its not unplayable but really, why on earth should we settle for less when we can either get a different game that isn't gimped or we can buy the full version on a different platform? There is really no reason to buy the wiiU version at all if its the worst version and if you love buying the gimped version just so you can play it, good for u but I will always be against buying the gimped version of anything... And I do believe that it is why most third party games that have issues sell so horribly on Nintendo platform. And the ones that aren't gimped but still sell horribly, provided they actually don't have any issues like missing dlc and the games themselves are great, are the ones that I will blame the fans on but those are very few and far between.

PS3 later became lead platform when the sales justified the effort, unlike on Wii U

PS3 as well never was that far behind.

Third parties on Wii U:
That was a pretty mixed story. EA made some weird decisions.
But som other did a not so bad job at first. Ubi brought AC III almost in time with the other versions. Underperformed.
Zombi U wasn't a success. It has been budget over here for almost two years as well.
AC IV was quite disappointing. It wasn't late but performed worse than AC III while other versions ran at least as good if not better.

Now, what about 'old' games released on PS4One? Like a one year old Tomb Raider? That actually does sell.

Not to talk about new IP's or sequels.

There's basically everyone to blame at some degree, At least some publishers because of really strange decisions or not trying at all.
The Nintendo crowd for basically buying nothing but Nintendo, Because you actually can blame yourself if you dont buy someones games that he doesnt try any more.
That is an issue with indy games as well by the way. Wii U owners buy all that old VC stuff instead of indies.

The most blame should go to Nintendo though. There's a ton of reasons. But basically Nintendo made every possible mistake.

Dear Shokio, get over yourself.... That is all.

fair enough, and thats your right to do so. Why would you pay for a gimp game? it depends on the level of gimp. But then thats kind of a point of it all, if its still playable and you still wont get it cause its "gimp" that tells me you really werent interested in the first place. So it goes back to the audience being quite different. I listed a bunch of games that werent gimped. Hell alot of games on GC werent gimped and they were still usually the worse selling ones so it has to be a demograph thing moreso than anything else. Not really blame so much as saying those guys are really interested, which is fine too.

Right, so because PS3 owners ate the garbage with a shovel means Wii U owners should spend their hard-earned money on substandard games. Sorry, but I simply can't afford to do that. Again, I don't think it's the publisher's job to release their entire library on Wii U when it certainly wouldn't sell, but treat Wii U owners (who are potential customers) with some respect.

I agree with this, the fact that some people are using that stance as a defence highlights the state of the industry today, so are they saying third parties want a userbase the can screw over and still get sales? It's like saying persecution happens in one country so you can have rights in your own, sorry like someone mentioned earlier we're not a charity, third parties want an ecosystem where they can do what they want and get away with it even if they cock up and that's what it actually comes down to.

Name me another gen where most of the notable games being released have been remasters from the previous gens? Why this is happening? Developers can't risk the costs of creating a ground up game this early on despite the fact they're the ones always calling for high powered tech.