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KLXVER on 20 April 2015
zorg1000 said:
KLXVER said:


There are games for casuals, but its nothing like the Wii. If they wanted it to be like the Wii, then the first thing they would do is pack in a Wii Sports game with the console.

No, if they wanted to be like Wii they would introduce new experiences, not just make sequels.


Yeah, like thats not the industry standard...



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Samus Aran on 20 April 2015
Chazore said:
KLXVER said:
 

 

Do you have a WiiU and a 3DS?

Currently just a 3DS but wanting to pick up a Wii U, keep in mind that I;m wanting a Wii U ebcause of some titles they have that appeal to me, they aren't really casual, I didn't buy into the Wii at the time ebcause it hardly had anything I wanted to warrant buying the system.

While I do own a 3DS I don't have many games for it, around 5 games currently with two VC games (sonic) and hoping to buy Gunvolt when Nintendo decides Europe can finally have a chance to play the damn thing, delaying titles out in the US and giving them to Europe months and months later doesn't really make it all that appealing.

Don't get a Wii U if you weren't interested in Wii games. You'll end up disappointed.



zorg1000 on 20 April 2015
KLXVER said:
zorg1000 said:

No, if they wanted to be like Wii they would introduce new experiences, not just make sequels.


Yeah, like thats not the industry standard...

What I mean is simply making sequels to things like Wii Sports & Wii Fit won't cause a console to sell like Wii, those games are old news and people are looking for brand new experiences.



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KLXVER on 20 April 2015
zorg1000 said:
KLXVER said:


Yeah, like thats not the industry standard...

What I mean is simply making sequels to things like Wii Sports & Wii Fit won't cause a console to sell like Wii, those games are old news and people are looking for brand new experiences.

No they arent. Thats why COD, AC, BF, Fifa, Madden, Mario, Pokemon, The Sims etc..are still the best selling games year after year...



Chazore on 20 April 2015
Samus Aran said:

Don't get a Wii U if you weren't interested in Wii games. You'll end up disappointed.

I'm interested in some Wii U titles that aren't on the Wii, I wouldn't mind getting the odd one or two Wii titles via VC but they aren't a selling point.



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zorg1000 on 20 April 2015
KLXVER said:
zorg1000 said:
KLXVER said:


Yeah, like thats not the industry standard...

What I mean is simply making sequels to things like Wii Sports & Wii Fit won't cause a console to sell like Wii, those games are old news and people are looking for brand new experiences.

No they arent. Thats why COD, AC, BF, Fifa, Madden, Mario, Pokemon, The Sims etc..are still the best selling games year after year...

Aren't we talking about casual experiences that caused the Wii to become such a huge success? How do any of those titles fit the bill?



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KLXVER on 20 April 2015
zorg1000 said:

 

Aren't we talking about casual experiences that caused the Wii to become such a huge success? How do any of those titles fit the bill?


Not really. Mario Kart Wii and New Super Mario Bros. Wii are the top selling games on the console...



Samus Aran on 20 April 2015
Chazore said:
Samus Aran said:
 

Don't get a Wii U if you weren't interested in Wii games. You'll end up disappointed.

I'm interested in some Wii U titles that aren't on the Wii, I wouldn't mind getting the odd one or two Wii titles via VC but they aren't a selling point.

Don't get a Wii U for Bayonetta 2. That's the only game I can think of that isn't on Wii. It's very overrated, but I'm the minority in that.

You won't like Mario Kart 8, Super Mario 3D World, Super Smash Bros. 4, Wind Waker HD, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, Captain Toad, Yoshi's Woolly World, Zelda U, xenoblade chronicles x, Pikmin 3, etc. if you didn't like the Wii games.

What are the titles you're interested in? I might be able to help you further then by giving suggestions.



DélioPT on 20 April 2015
zorg1000 said:
DélioPT said:
It's true that the handhelds have always had lesser buttons, but even handheld games, like Pokémon, are complex. More complex than a SMB 1 game, for example.

I'm not really sure that the decline of Nintendo's home consoles can be explained just by referring to complexity in terms of button layout or in game complexity.
Otherwise, how can you explain the success Sony has been having with PS? Both it's controllers and games have always been complex.

The best way to understand the decline and success of home consoles and handhelds, respectively, is to look at each other separately.

Handhelds were always the cheaper alternative for a lot of parents. Not to mention that they were portable.
Home consoles by Nintendo started suffering because of competition. And we are not talking about competition in the same market...
Since SEGA, the gaming market has shifted away from Nintendo's type of games to, let's say, Sony type of games.
The difference between Nintendo and Sony's focus (meaning, the type of gamer) - and strategy- had enormous impact on how the market would (re)act.

Sony's approach to the market, won them the market pretty much since the beggining.
By focusing on the teen, late teen, young adult segment, they managed to succeed the same way Nintendo succeeded when entering the market: they offered something that the market wanted but didn't have.
Problem was that Nintendo didn't evolve with the market and got left behind.

You could almost say that Sony ripped what Nintendo saw (spelling?).

Wii and DS were major hits because it introduced not just HW innovations unlike anything seen before, but because they also went after a market.... no, they created a market, by offering an accessible and inviting HW (Wii remote and touch screen) and games that complemented that same HW.
In this case, simplicity was key!

Pokémon is not complex, it uses the D-pad and the A button. U can pick up that game and play it for 2 minutes and understand it.

The success of Playstation can be explained by it catering to a different type of gamer. People want simple, fun, casual experiences on Nintendo hardware. People want complex, violent games on Playstation/Xbox.

Pokémon might be simple in terms of control, but it isn't in terms of gameplay mechanics.
That's why i said that SMB was a more simpler game: run to the end of the level, jumping on enemies and that's pretty much it.

You could say that given Nintendo's focus on the kids and family market, people have different expectations than your core gamer has towards most of the games they play.
But when you look at sales of home consoles - and even if you compare the success of the PS brand with Nintendo's own handhelds -, overall, the market is choosing the more complex choice.

The simple, casual and fun experiences are now on the mobile market.
They chose Wii because what it offered - and they loved what Wii offered - could only be found there. Until a new revolution happens, that's where casual gamers will be: the mobile market.

Basically, what Nintendo has to offer is not what the mass market wants. And those who want that kind of experience, also have mobile devices as an alternative.



Chazore on 20 April 2015
Samus Aran said:

Don't get a Wii U for Bayonetta 2. That's the only game I can think of that isn't on Wii. It's very overrated, but I'm the minority in that.

You won't like Mario Kart 8, Super Mario 3D World, Super Smash Bros. 4, Wind Waker HD, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, Captain Toad, Yoshi's Woolly World, Zelda U, xenoblade chronicles x, Pikmin 3, etc. if you didn't like the Wii games.

What are the titles you're interested in? I might be able to help you further then by giving suggestions.

But I loved the first Bayo, the 2nd is something I've been meaning to grab along with WW HD (never played the original), Zelda U, XBCX, HW and maybe Mario Kart 8.

It's not that I need help, I do my own research a lot of the time that I wait for platform libraries to grow and pick from them in what interests me the most from each.



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