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Dunban67 said:
zorg1000 said:

Wait, I'm a little confused, the numbers in parentheses aren't the totals, that's splitting up the Gameboy sales between Gen 4 & Gen 5 numbers since it was a 2 generation device. So during the 4th Generation (April 1989-March 1996) Gameboy sold 54 million and during the 5th generation (April 1996-March 2003) Gameboy sold 64 million.

I think we're on the same page now, I just wanted to clarify just in case.

thanks for the clarification i think im tracking w you now

Good deal

Another thing I want to point out, is that in each of those 4 pre-Wii/DS generations, the software sales (about 500 million units of software per generation) and the hardware breakdown per region has been consistent as well.

Americas-50 million, Japan-25 million, Others-25 million give or take a few in each region.

Right now, 3DS+Wii U in Japan & Others are set to hit those numbers. It's literally only America that is showing a decline and they are on track to sell about 30 million in the Americas this generation or about a 40% decline.

I have a theory for that as well. In America, it is far more expensive to get both pieces of hardware than it was in previous generations at this point in their lives.

In 1988, NES-$100, G&W-$20 each so an NES and 3 G&W=$160, adjusted for inflation that's about $325

In 1993, Super Nintendo-$130, Gameboy-$90, total-$210, adjusted for inflation that's about $350

In 1998, Nintendo 64-$130, Gameboy Color-$70, total-$200, adjusted for inflation that's about $290

In 2003, Gamecube-$100, Gameboy Advance SP-$100, total-$200, adjusted for inflation that's about $260

New 3DS XL-$200, Wii U-$300, total-$500, so to get both it costs about 40% more than it did in previous gens.

So a 40% decline in sales and a 40% increase in price, is that a coincidence? Maybe. Also why does this only affect America and not other regions?

Well historically, Japan & Others have only picked one or the other, so price of both combined isn't nearly as big of a factor while in America Nintendo consoles & handhelds have both been popular at the same time and people are more likely to buy both devices so the combined price to get the full Nintendo experience is much more relevant in America than it is in other regions.



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zorg1000 said:
Dunban67 said:

thanks for the clarification i think im tracking w you now

Good deal

Another thing I want to point out, is that in each of those 4 pre-Wii/DS generations, the software sales (about 500 million units of software per generation) and the hardware breakdown per region has been consistent as well.

Americas-50 million, Japan-25 million, Others-25 million give or take a few in each region.

Right now, 3DS+Wii U in Japan & Others are set to hit those numbers. It's literally only America that is showing a decline and they are on track to sell about 30 million in the Americas this generation or about a 40% decline.

I have a theory for that as well. In America, it is far more expensive to get both pieces of hardware than it was in previous generations at this point in their lives.

In 1988, NES-$100, G&W-$20 each so an NES and 3 G&W=$160, adjusted for inflation that's about $325

In 1993, Super Nintendo-$130, Gameboy-$90, total-$210, adjusted for inflation that's about $350

In 1998, Nintendo 64-$130, Gameboy Color-$70, total-$200, adjusted for inflation that's about $290

In 2003, Gamecube-$100, Gameboy Advance SP-$100, total-$200, adjusted for inflation that's about $260

New 3DS XL-$200, Wii U-$300, total-$500, so to get both it costs about 40% more than it did in previous gens.

So a 40% decline in sales and a 40% increase in price, is that a coincidence? Maybe. Also why does this only affect America and not other regions?

Well historically, Japan & Others have only picked one or the other, so price of both combined isn't nearly as big of a factor while in America Nintendo consoles & handhelds have both been popular at the same time and people are more likely to buy both devices so the combined price to get the full Nintendo experience is much more relevant in America than it is in other regions.


Yeah the price is by far bigger factor in the USA,gc vs wii u gap there proves it,it's staggeringly bigger than the gap in Europe and Japan because of gc's two consecutive big price drops in it's first two years which had a major effect in the USA and in Europe and particularly in Japan the effect was considerable but way smaller,wii u is still at full price and the most expensive nintendo product ever...



DélioPT said:
Dulfite said:


What doLes Hyrule Warriors haOve to do with this? L

You quoted the wrong post. :)


No,  he mentioned HW, and of course that means Hyrule Warriors...



zorg1000 said:

Everybody knows that excluding Wii, Nintendo consoles have declined. The general thought is this is due to the added competition from the likes of Sega, Sony & Microsoft coming and stealing their audience. Well I have another theory, Nintendo wasn't losing their audience to the competitors, their audience was gradually shifting from Nintendo consoles to Nintendo handhelds. Let's take a look at Nintendo hardware sales per generation pre-Wii.

NES-62 million, Game & Watch-43 million

SNES-49 million, Gameboy (89-96)-54 million

Nintendo 64-33 million, Gameboy (97-03)-64 million

Gamecube-22 million, Gameboy Advance-81 million

Each generation sold 100 million give or take a few million, with the handheld sales increasing at roughly the same rate as console sales declining. So what exactly would be the reason for people shifting from from one to the other?

Nintendo's best selling games and consoles are ones that emphasize on simple, pick up and play, casual experiences. As consoles became more complex by adding more face buttons, shoulder buttons, triggers, analog sticks, the games became more complex by default. Nintendo handhelds on the other hand retained their simple, casual style thus consoles began to decrease and handhelds increase.

With Wii & DS, Nintendo created the ultimate casual experiences thus sales exploded, with Wii U & 3DS they have reverted back to making more complex control schemes and games thus it is on track to becoming the worst selling generation in Nintendo history.


This just proves that Nintendo can only afford to fully support one console at a time.  The Wii was a fluke that sold on its gimic alone.



Prediction for console Lifetime sales:

Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million

[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]

3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

[Prediction Made 6/18/2014]

Eddie_Raja said:
zorg1000 said:

Everybody knows that excluding Wii, Nintendo consoles have declined. The general thought is this is due to the added competition from the likes of Sega, Sony & Microsoft coming and stealing their audience. Well I have another theory, Nintendo wasn't losing their audience to the competitors, their audience was gradually shifting from Nintendo consoles to Nintendo handhelds. Let's take a look at Nintendo hardware sales per generation pre-Wii.

NES-62 million, Game & Watch-43 million

SNES-49 million, Gameboy (89-96)-54 million

Nintendo 64-33 million, Gameboy (97-03)-64 million

Gamecube-22 million, Gameboy Advance-81 million

Each generation sold 100 million give or take a few million, with the handheld sales increasing at roughly the same rate as console sales declining. So what exactly would be the reason for people shifting from from one to the other?

Nintendo's best selling games and consoles are ones that emphasize on simple, pick up and play, casual experiences. As consoles became more complex by adding more face buttons, shoulder buttons, triggers, analog sticks, the games became more complex by default. Nintendo handhelds on the other hand retained their simple, casual style thus consoles began to decrease and handhelds increase.

With Wii & DS, Nintendo created the ultimate casual experiences thus sales exploded, with Wii U & 3DS they have reverted back to making more complex control schemes and games thus it is on track to becoming the worst selling generation in Nintendo history.


This just proves that Nintendo can only afford to fully support one console at a time.  The Wii was a fluke that sold on its gimic alone.

I love how everyone now tries to dismiss the Wii as if it never happened.

Sorry mate, but it happened and the DS sold about as much as the PS2 in less time!



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Eddie_Raja said:
zorg1000 said:

Everybody knows that excluding Wii, Nintendo consoles have declined. The general thought is this is due to the added competition from the likes of Sega, Sony & Microsoft coming and stealing their audience. Well I have another theory, Nintendo wasn't losing their audience to the competitors, their audience was gradually shifting from Nintendo consoles to Nintendo handhelds. Let's take a look at Nintendo hardware sales per generation pre-Wii.

NES-62 million, Game & Watch-43 million

SNES-49 million, Gameboy (89-96)-54 million

Nintendo 64-33 million, Gameboy (97-03)-64 million

Gamecube-22 million, Gameboy Advance-81 million

Each generation sold 100 million give or take a few million, with the handheld sales increasing at roughly the same rate as console sales declining. So what exactly would be the reason for people shifting from from one to the other?

Nintendo's best selling games and consoles are ones that emphasize on simple, pick up and play, casual experiences. As consoles became more complex by adding more face buttons, shoulder buttons, triggers, analog sticks, the games became more complex by default. Nintendo handhelds on the other hand retained their simple, casual style thus consoles began to decrease and handhelds increase.

With Wii & DS, Nintendo created the ultimate casual experiences thus sales exploded, with Wii U & 3DS they have reverted back to making more complex control schemes and games thus it is on track to becoming the worst selling generation in Nintendo history.


This just proves that Nintendo can only afford to fully support one console at a time.  The Wii was a fluke that sold on its gimic alone.

For ur first sentence, ya I agree, and that's why Nintendo seems to be heading towards a unified future where the handheld and console share a common architecture, operating system, online infrastructure, account system & software library. With such a strategy certain games are no longer tied down to a single low selling device and are accessible to all owners of Nintendo hardware. Nintendo can also diversify by not needing to release two separate entries of all their major franchises, so even if the total output stays the same or is even slightly lower than it currently is  their will still be more variety and lack of software droughts. It will now basically come down to personal preferences, do u prefer to play games on the go or play them on ur big TV? In terms of specs, something like this should be feasible

NX Portable-300 gflop, 2gb RAM, 540p, $249.99

NX Console-1.2 tflop, 8gb RAM, 1080p, $249.99



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

Samus Aran said:
Eddie_Raja said:


This just proves that Nintendo can only afford to fully support one console at a time.  The Wii was a fluke that sold on its gimic alone.

I love how everyone now tries to dismiss the Wii as if it never happened.

Sorry mate, but it happened and the DS sold about as much as the PS2 in less time!


It did happen, what's your point?  There are always outliers.  It also set the stage for a disastrous follow up.



Prediction for console Lifetime sales:

Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million

[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]

3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

[Prediction Made 6/18/2014]

Dulfite said:
DélioPT said:

You quoted the wrong post. :)


No,  he mentioned HW, and of course that means Hyrule Warriors...

I'm... completely lost!
I have no idea what you are referring to. :D

My post was towards the opening post.