MikeRox said: Dr.Henry_Killinger said: The truth is, phones are replacing nearly everything, all of gaming is in jeopardy, Handhelds are simply unfortunate enough to get invaded first, like Poland What's Czechoslovakia in this analogy?

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Ruler said: darkknightkryta said: Depends, if Sony's profiting from the venture, then there's no reason to cut it. Even if it is peanuts worth of money. When they start posting negative numbers, then Sony will pull the plug. Yeah but they dont spend any money anymore on producing games yet getting 15% of all games the other devolopers still do. Their only problem is the amount of oversupplied hardware.

Undersupplied?  You do realize there were Vita shortages recently...

sc94597 said: Teeqoz said: Presuming Nintendo's next handheld actually will outspec it. There's certainly a possibility that it won't. There is a possibility, but it's relatively small. 1. The Vita is comparable to three year old phones in terms of hardware. You can find phones with Vita level hardware for $70. That is how quickly the mobile/handheld hardware is changing. 2. Nintendo is planning a unified platform with "cross-platform" games. If they make their next handheld too weak, then this would be difficult to develop and plan for, assuming their console form-factor is at least a little bit more powerful than the Wii U (and we should assume it is a little bit more powerful than the PS4/XBO at the least.)

Sorry but to date, there is no Phone's with PSvita Level Hardware that you can purchase for $70.00 For instance, there is many smartphones with Quad Core Arm Cortex A9's and Mali GPU 400's with Multiple Cores, which is quite true. But None of those Smartphones Has inside for that Mali or SGX GPU with 128MB of Dedicated Video Ram just for its GPU. The PSVita Does! And that is why you are not buying a Vita Level Hardware Smartphone for $70.00, because there is no such Smartphone! the only Handheld that comes close to that is the Nvidia shield, and in some ways Pass the PSVita, and the Nvidia Shield 2 out right Stomps the PSVIta. but as of right now, Hell the Fill Rate on the PSVita GPU is more than the PS3, yes the resolution is not as high on the PSVita, but consider the PSTv has the same chipset but upto 1080i its a freaking Hulking Arm Cortex SOC for its time.

I can certainly see it getting home brew games for many years after official discontinuation but to me that is not true survival. I love the Vita but sadly I can only see support getting worse. Much like the Wii U, the market just did not find it appealing even though hardcore gamers love them.

Captain_Yuri said: My guess would be until Nintendo's next handheld launches (+- 1/2 years) because if the NX is just as powerful or more powerful than the Vita, then the developers would have even less reasons to develop for the Vita

Is "power" really a selling point for these? The less powerful system blew the other out of the water as Nintendo has the killer (handheld) software... Primarily pokemon and monster hunter. 3rd party support has mostly dried up as they seem to view handhelds as a dying industry ( that's EA's excuse at least).

At this point it seems that first party games have far more influence in handhelds than consoles.

If anything with the development of Arm Holdings "Big Little"

Sony could very well have a "Big Little" Design for a Hybrid Fusion of an Android/vita device where the device contains both a PSVita or PSTv Soc, and also a Arm Holdings Soc that runs the Standard stock Android, where using the PSVita Soc , Mutes the Other SOC onboard, and vice versa!

Example: 2 Quad Core CPU's on the same Mobile smart device Mobo

http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G140448267127&tab_idx=2

joeorc said: Sorry but to date, there is no Phone's with PSvita Level Hardware that you can purchase for $70.00 For instance, there is many smartphones with Quad Core Arm Cortex A9's and Mali GPU 400's with Multiple Cores, which is quite true. But None of those Smartphones Has inside for that Mali or SGX GPU with 128MB of Dedicated Video Ram just for its GPU. The PSVita Does! And that is why you are not buying a Vita Level Hardware Smartphone for $70.00, because there is no such Smartphone! the only Handheld that comes close to that is the Nvidia shield, and in some ways Pass the PSVita, and the Nvidia Shield 2 out right Stomps the PSVIta. but as of right now, Hell the Fill Rate on the PSVita GPU is more than the PS3, yes the resolution is not as high on the PSVita, but consider the PSTv has the same chipset but upto 1080i its a freaking Hulking Arm Cortex SOC for its time.

http://www.dhgate.com/product/cheapest-android-4-4-5-0ins-octa-core-smart/231121740.html?utm_source=pla&utm_medium=GMC&utm_campaign=cloutronics&utm_term=231121740&f=bm%7c231121740%7c105001-CellPhones%7cGMC%7cAdwords%7cpla%7ccloutronics%7cUS%7c105001-CellPhones%7cc%7c%7c0HRF%7c&gclid=CjwKEAjw6Z2pBRCmvaXq6d7FjUoSJAAc5LrimfQjjEu5fxpoYfk20tMPBE9Z1q8oEOxOpmnoioSuNRoC8t3w_wcB

It is equiped with a MT6595 processor, which as a PowerVR G6200, which is about 76.8 GFLOPS at 600mhz. The Vita maxes at about 52 Gflops. Furthermore, it has 4GB of ram, which I think more than makes up for no dedicated Vram. 

While the price is $97 right now, I've seen it drop as low as $75 before. 

 

joeorc said: Sorry but to date, there is no Phone's with PSvita Level Hardware that you can purchase for $70.00 For instance, there is many smartphones with Quad Core Arm Cortex A9's and Mali GPU 400's with Multiple Cores, which is quite true. But None of those Smartphones Has inside for that Mali or SGX GPU with 128MB of Dedicated Video Ram just for its GPU. The PSVita Does! And that is why you are not buying a Vita Level Hardware Smartphone for $70.00, because there is no such Smartphone! the only Handheld that comes close to that is the Nvidia shield, and in some ways Pass the PSVita, and the Nvidia Shield 2 out right Stomps the PSVIta. but as of right now, Hell the Fill Rate on the PSVita GPU is more than the PS3, yes the resolution is not as high on the PSVita, but consider the PSTv has the same chipset but upto 1080i its a freaking Hulking Arm Cortex SOC for its time. http://www.dhgate.com/product/cheapest-android-4-4-5-0ins-octa-core-smart/231121740.html?utm_source=pla&utm_medium=GMC&utm_campaign=cloutronics&utm_term=231121740&f=bm%7c231121740%7c105001-CellPhones%7cGMC%7cAdwords%7cpla%7ccloutronics%7cUS%7c105001-CellPhones%7cc%7c%7c0HRF%7c&gclid=CjwKEAjw6Z2pBRCmvaXq6d7FjUoSJAAc5LrimfQjjEu5fxpoYfk20tMPBE9Z1q8oEOxOpmnoioSuNRoC8t3w_wcB It is equiped with a MT6595 processor, which as a PowerVR G6200, which is about 76.8 GFLOPS at 600mhz. The Vita maxes at about 52 Gflops. Furthermore, it has 4GB of ram, which I think more than makes up for no dedicated Vram.  While the price is $97 right now, I've seen it drop as low as $75 before.

1st off MT Arm processors are not one of the best performance Processors out there, so they in fact rarely get to those listed Gflops/sec let alone sustain them.

also as for the PSVita maxing out @ 52 Gflops , You may want to do some more research

SGX 543 MP4 = 38.4 GFLOPS (triple core tho)

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6426/ipad-4-gpu-performance-analyzed-powervr-sgx-554mp4-under-the-hood

A) the Speed of the SGX543MP4+ is more than 400 MHz

B)

http://www.chipworks.com/en/technical-competitive-analysis/resources/blog/sonys-ps-vita-uses-chip-on-chip-sip-3d-but-not-3d/z

C) since its a 3D stacked TSV its performance index is very..very High

That Smatphone you gave as an example i doubt very much is not going to outpace the PSVita's Performance index

again:

another example is the clock rate can indeed be pushing over 533 MHz, since sony has a SGX543MP4"+" being and increase clock rate, among other things you can take also as an index:

The Exynos variant of the Samsung Galaxy S4 sports the tri-core SGX544MP3 clocked at 533 MHz.

The series x5 Power VR GPU's were and still are some of the best GPU's that give a High Performance on Mobile SOC's..still even Today. Yes there is more powerful mobile chipsets than the PSVita, but many time the Costs are still High, and Again you would d@mn sight need to be on a contract for a mobile carrier to get it for 2 year contract, and thats still way more than $70.00

 

 

 

Captain_Yuri said: My guess would be until Nintendo's next handheld launches (+- 1/2 years) because if the NX is just as powerful or more powerful than the Vita, then the developers would have even less reasons to develop for the Vita

If the NX is as powerful as the vita Sony can only hope it's as fun to code for as the other NIntendo consoles.

OT japanese devs have a long track of oversupporting Sony consoles long after the said console stopped being relevant in the west. I know using these two words in the same sentence is pretty weird, but vita's userbase will still make publishing VNs and few other AAs for it relevant in the coming 3-4 years.

I don't get why people think the Vita will be the last handheld Playstation console, the market didn't all of a sudden cease to exist, it's just that Sony has made some pretty glaring mistakes with the system

I think we'll get an announcement of a new handheld from Sony in a year or 2, once they've finished with releasing Morpheus.
Platform holders have to cater to what business there is, so making a new system, with new hardware, righting the issues of the last platform will bring the business back Sony's way, it just needs to be a system without any major obstacles to entry, like being too expense, using expensive proprietary storage and a lack of retail games.

Any new handheld needs to be handled like Sony's handled PS4, being good value, probably with a built in hard drive of some kind, made using tech developers want and most importantly leading the charge with a steady stream of big games to prove the platform's worth to the market.


As for Vita lasting that long, well indies could continue making games for it forever, same goes for those studios that currently support it in the east, but I don't think it would continue on for 10 years from now, maybe 10 years from launch, so another 5-6 years from now, but that would maybe just be Sony keeping the online store live for people to continue buying games from that service. New games will come so long as they sell, but there will be a point when those sales start to take a big dive and all you have is the dregs of like a handful a day or something.

TBH though I think it's more likely that a new handheld with comparable architecture to PS4 releases in late 2016 to 2017. It'd be a scaled down APU with an AMD CPU and GPU tech, along with sufficient memory and a built in HD or just fast SD cards.