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Volterra_90 said:
I'm a Nintendo fan, but I don't agree with their YT policies. I see it a symbiosis: Nintendo obtains free advertising, and the youtuber takes the revenue for that. I don't understand why Nintendo is risking its reputation, youtubers have a lot of influence nowadays...

Certainly you don't agree, or I don't agree, or the mass audience don't agree, we don't agree, but it's Nintendo's policy.  This isn't directed to you Volterra, simply a observation that's gotten me heated enough to post something.  It's something that everyone keeps talking about, disliking it, thinking it's unfair, that Nintendo is losing out on free advertisment.  Dammit if everyone isn't a psychic and know that this was a terrible decision from Nintendo to control their IP.  Yeah, it is different from the norm of YT agreements and there are evidence that this may hurt Nintendo more than it helps them.  Yes, that's true, but it's also unknown what will become of this way of thinking.  But why, because everyone else does what Nintendo doesn't and it's a big deal now because Nintendo has done it?  This is the same Nintendo that does things the Nintendo way and I don't know why this was a surprise to some people when you know that their online and everything else Nintendo does is their own thing.  

This is how I see it.  Nintendo likes control of their product, something we already know.  Now, here are people like you or me going online and becoming fanfictionist, receiving money for something Nintendo considers part of their IP.  And we all love fan fiction, right, we don't ever make fun of people for writing fanfiction, which that is what people on Youtube are doing; creating fanfiction.  There's something to say about the official Youtubers who go on Youtube and are following nintendo's strict guidelines, these youtubers are professionals for not breaking the 4th wall of the media.  For them, they garner the official Nintendo seal of approval, they get money for working professionally in a Nintendo approved account.  You can be Pewdiepie or even Angry Joe and go about online talk about the company, talk about their games, talk about the institutions that make Nintendo Nintendo.  But look at that and tell me it's not a bad thing for Nintendo to do let the imates run the asylum.  It's like having a pet dog and you're okay with them biting you over and over again.  Nintendo is a Business and when you have a business with people making money off of you, you as a Company would not want your employees bad-mouthing the company.  To hell with the free advertisment when one of the people who're doing your videos and making your money are ranting and raving over your product being terrible or bad or even people becoming bad representatives of your company.  What if your child, a representive of you, were telling peop0le you were a bad mother, but you still paid them.  Sure, not everyone is going to be that way, but what if a Nazi-sentimentalist is also a die hard Nintendo fan and is making heated waves online and receiving money because of Nintendo.  As a company, that would be something Nintendo could not let go, business wise and ethically.

I get fan anger, the ones who don't make videos no less, and I get what Nintendo is doing.  Youtubers do have a lot of influence nowadays, but that could be a bad thing.  This way, at least Nintendo can work with the professionals that are willing to play their ball game.



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torok said:
The problems isn't Nintendo wanting their share, you aren't getting the whole problem. The issue is that Nintendo not only wants THEIR share but they want to approve if a video can or can't be published. That rule allows Nintendo to block videos that criticize their games and just allow videos that are being generous to their products. That's, effectively, censorship. If you do Nintendo videos, you, from now on, will probably try to just say good things so your video can get approved.

That's something that unnaceptable and a new low in trying to avoid people talking negative things about your game. That's worse than buying reviews, worse than review embargos simply because you are now choosing what can be said about your game. They can even block videos for a specific game! So if the f** badly a game, they simply won't allow any video to avoid having people telling the truth.

Telling the truth and having opinion are two different things.  What nintendo is doing is not illegal, just restrictive.  I get it, you want Youtube to be the wild west, with everyone and everything up for grabs, a lot of people want that and it's cool.  But the thing is, there is real money now.  If people really wanted to post their opinions and reviews about certain games, do it without monetary compensation, start a blog, go to gametrailers or IGN and make money legitamately.  Do you have an opinion and want to make money off of it, go to journalism school, go to film school, go to and pick a field where what you say is isn't some random fan opinion, speak from authority.  Yeah, Nintendo is censoring these people, but the thing is, Youtube is not the soap box you should be speaking out of.  That's why they are professionals who work at IGN, who were at Gametrailer, game spot, etc and they actually deserve the money. 



Honestly this is such a non issue.

I have mario kart 8 videos up yet no one wants to watch them lol.

There isn't even enough people caring to watch Nintendo gameplay videos on there.

So I doubt angry joe would convince millions of his viewers to play NIntendo games anyway.

 

MY shitty footage of NBA2k13 for PS4 has more views and it has NO SOUND cause 2ksports decided on my behalf it be copyright infringmeent so it does not record audio only video.



 

 

Ouroboros24 said:
Volterra_90 said:
I'm a Nintendo fan, but I don't agree with their YT policies. I see it a symbiosis: Nintendo obtains free advertising, and the youtuber takes the revenue for that. I don't understand why Nintendo is risking its reputation, youtubers have a lot of influence nowadays...

Certainly you don't agree, or I don't agree, or the mass audience don't agree, we don't agree, but it's Nintendo's policy.  This isn't directed to you Volterra, simply a observation that's gotten me heated enough to post something.  It's something that everyone keeps talking about, disliking it, thinking it's unfair, that Nintendo is losing out on free advertisment.  Dammit if everyone isn't a psychic and know that this was a terrible decision from Nintendo to control their IP.  Yeah, it is different from the norm of YT agreements and there are evidence that this may hurt Nintendo more than it helps them.  Yes, that's true, but it's also unknown what will become of this way of thinking.  But why, because everyone else does what Nintendo doesn't and it's a big deal now because Nintendo has done it?  This is the same Nintendo that does things the Nintendo way and I don't know why this was a surprise to some people when you know that their online and everything else Nintendo does is their own thing.  

This is how I see it.  Nintendo likes control of their product, something we already know.  Now, here are people like you or me going online and becoming fanfictionist, receiving money for something Nintendo considers part of their IP.  And we all love fan fiction, right, we don't ever make fun of people for writing fanfiction, which that is what people on Youtube are doing; creating fanfiction.  There's something to say about the official Youtubers who go on Youtube and are following nintendo's strict guidelines, these youtubers are professionals for not breaking the 4th wall of the media.  For them, they garner the official Nintendo seal of approval, they get money for working professionally in a Nintendo approved account.  You can be Pewdiepie or even Angry Joe and go about online talk about the company, talk about their games, talk about the institutions that make Nintendo Nintendo.  But look at that and tell me it's not a bad thing for Nintendo to do let the imates run the asylum.  It's like having a pet dog and you're okay with them biting you over and over again.  Nintendo is a Business and when you have a business with people making money off of you, you as a Company would not want your employees bad-mouthing the company.  To hell with the free advertisment when one of the people who're doing your videos and making your money are ranting and raving over your product being terrible or bad or even people becoming bad representatives of your company.  What if your child, a representive of you, were telling peop0le you were a bad mother, but you still paid them.  Sure, not everyone is going to be that way, but what if a Nazi-sentimentalist is also a die hard Nintendo fan and is making heated waves online and receiving money because of Nintendo.  As a company, that would be something Nintendo could not let go, business wise and ethically.

I get fan anger, the ones who don't make videos no less, and I get what Nintendo is doing.  Youtubers do have a lot of influence nowadays, but that could be a bad thing.  This way, at least Nintendo can work with the professionals that are willing to play their ball game.

I understand Nintendo's point of view. And I know they are very protective with their IPs. There's actually a lof of Nintendo channels on YT, like Gamexplain, one of the best gaming channels in my opinion. But if you know, and I'm sure Nintendo knows, that youtubers have a massive influence in the gaming market, don't piss them off. Sure, Nintendo doesn't want anyone bad-mouthing the company, but they are getting the opposite effect with this. Lately, in any gaming forum, you see a lot of threads like this. I'm starting to think that Nintendo is getting more hate than they think, and I'm not sure if the strategy Nintendo is following is the right thing to do, as a company, as a bussiness. I don't think the youtube program is bad per se, but, the 40/60 percentage seems wrong to me. Sure, they are using Nintendo IPs, but, youtubers are doing the hard work (you have to think what you are going to do, make the video...). Wether I like them or not, it's like a job. So I think that maybe 95/5 is fair. And I know, even with this, a lot of people will be angry, but, I think that Nintendo has their rights over their IPs and it's also fair that they make a little revenue. 



torok said:
Uabit said:

Lol i don't know if it's more fun this or people defending that multimillion-dollar companies need what they charge to play online to "pay the servers" while steam offers them for free.

Poor Nintendo they will bankrupt without the money they want to take from fans or youtubers using their content : (

The only normal way to justify this is to go straight and say is their copyrighted material and they do with it what they want (which doesn't spare them from being such jerks with all this youtube thing).

Steam also puts DRM in all its games so if it goes out of business, you lose thousands of dollars in products. Gabe is not so nice, right?

The problem isn't the share Nintendo wants. Is that Nintendo decides what video is acceptable and what video isn't. That's censorship and they can use it to skew videos towards more favorable opinions about their products.

Despite that, they aren't in their right according to the copyright law. Fair use allows to use parts of a film/game/music to review or create a parody.


If steam some day goes down we will have acces to all games we already own to download as drm free. Read small letter : ) 



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Volterra_90 said:
Ouroboros24 said:
Volterra_90 said:
I'm a Nintendo fan, but I don't agree with their YT policies. I see it a symbiosis: Nintendo obtains free advertising, and the youtuber takes the revenue for that. I don't understand why Nintendo is risking its reputation, youtubers have a lot of influence nowadays...

I understand Nintendo's point of view. And I know they are very protective with their IPs. There's actually a lof of Nintendo channels on YT, like Gamexplain, one of the best gaming channels in my opinion. But if you know, and I'm sure Nintendo knows, that youtubers have a massive influence in the gaming market, don't piss them off. Sure, Nintendo doesn't want anyone bad-mouthing the company, but they are getting the opposite effect with this. Lately, in any gaming forum, you see a lot of threads like this. I'm starting to think that Nintendo is getting more hate than they think, and I'm not sure if the strategy Nintendo is following is the right thing to do, as a company, as a bussiness. I don't think the youtube program is bad per se, but, the 40/60 percentage seems wrong to me. Sure, they are using Nintendo IPs, but, youtubers are doing the hard work (you have to think what you are going to do, make the video...). Wether I like them or not, it's like a job. So I think that maybe 95/5 is fair. And I know, even with this, a lot of people will be angry, but, I think that Nintendo has their rights over their IPs and it's also fair that they make a little revenue. 

That's just the thing, I don't think Nintendo wants people making the videos.  They were never dependant on people making videos and it seems like they really don't care about people making the videos.  If anything, it's content.  Nintendo has gone all around youtube, flagging both good videos and bad videos, you know what i mean, right?  Some dude with a video capture program, say pewdiepie, and then the video is lackluster, Pewdiepie starts hollering like an idiot, and then he would get some of the revenue for something fast, simple and lack of hard work and most of all lack of quality.  I'm not saying Pewdiepie isn't hard working, simply the content he produces are just...low quality.  This is just an opinion of course. 

And this is what gets me upset and why I think Nintendo implemented this program in the first place.  They don't want to be subservient to the protest of Youtubers, they want to control and rally those that are on their side.  By that, I mean the youtubers who are willing to go along with their restrictions.  I've always had this theory about their program, with the 40/60 share.  I read somewhere that for now, this is the model and in the future they could easily change the model to a 60/40 or even 95/5 towards the youtubers.  Well, the thing is giving 95/5 to youtubers right off the bat without control on their part is kind of a non-Nintendo thing to do.  The share ratio isn't set in stone, but in the future, what if the 1% of all Nintendo youtubers that stayed along with all the restrictions were to be given a loyalty boost since they've been with them like a loyal employee.  Nintendo is a business, so why not upgrade those loyal to you.  It's not hard for them to do, just have lawyers write up the papers and then boom, better Youtube encentives for those who didn't bail.  I'm not looking at you Angry Joe, you made like 4 nintendo videos in like ever., you have no right to be as vocal as you are about their policies.  

I'm just saying, the cream will rise, but having a pot full of youtubers and they're all the same and they're all lack of quality and boring, this leaves your meal irky and nasty looking.   





Lamace said:

Why this guy has a point, but ultimately does not speak for Youtubers and overall youtube.

  • Up and coming Youtubers.   They will rise to the occassion.  Perhaps better Youtube videos.  Aren't you tired of the "talk to the camera" video.
  • Youtube a real job.  Maybe a real job, but until you get from bottom tier, to mid tier, to top tier, find a part time job.  Ask all top youtubers and they'll tell you they had part time jobs until they when full Youtube.  But that's normal, it's call life.
  • Nintendo doesn't want to stop people criticizing them, they want to stop people who share revenue with them to stop.  They know they can't stop people from talking smack, they just want their partners to stay cool with them. 
  • Approved by Nintendo.  Nintendo's seal of approval means something.  Do you really think Nintendo wants you to publish and approve something that has the words, "Ass, Fuck'ed up."
  • "Integrity"  Really, you're doing this for money.  Before people knew you can make money off youtube, they did this for the art.  People posted anime, movies, music, all for free.  If you're trying to live on youtube, don't shit on a bigger company like Nintendo  for getting more money, which you are trying to do.  
  • This is an olive branch.  Better than no money.  Better then them just pulling your video.  Not perfect, but this is an olive branch for possible better things.  Youtubers, you're being spoiled, 2008 Nintendo wasn't this cool.
  • This doesn't affect this guy, just a pundit puting up his 2 cents for more revenue that his 2 million subscribers can help him make more money.
  • Nintendo can change their model arbitrarily:  That does not mean Nintendo will only do bad.  They can either change it to a better deal or a worst.
  • He loves us, but fuck the ones who disagree, but he loves us all anyways.  Like Jesus.
  • Strong willed.  Just lauhable. 


Ouroboros24 said:

Telling the truth and having opinion are two different things.  What nintendo is doing is not illegal, just restrictive.  I get it, you want Youtube to be the wild west, with everyone and everything up for grabs, a lot of people want that and it's cool.  But the thing is, there is real money now.  If people really wanted to post their opinions and reviews about certain games, do it without monetary compensation, start a blog, go to gametrailers or IGN and make money legitamately.  Do you have an opinion and want to make money off of it, go to journalism school, go to film school, go to and pick a field where what you say is isn't some random fan opinion, speak from authority.  Yeah, Nintendo is censoring these people, but the thing is, Youtube is not the soap box you should be speaking out of.  That's why they are professionals who work at IGN, who were at Gametrailer, game spot, etc and they actually deserve the money. 


Why would IGN be legit doing a Nintendo video and a guy on YouTube wouldn't? Equal rights. Nobody wants a wild west on YouTube, that's why it has rules and bans guys that violate copyright. But Nintendo is threatening guys that simply are using their content under fair use rights.

I'm sick of this thread and people defending this kind of behavior. To put it simple, the other 2 let people do this and they even put a native DVR in the consoles to make it even easier: just one button press to share a video or stream it. They are embracing their communities, not trying to shut down it. What Nintendo will get? A lot of YouTubers will stop making Nintendo videos and will keep doing PS/XB/PC gameplays. They are important nowadays. If I'm planning to by a game, I will se a let's play. It's the best way to know if it's good or not without relying in the currently imprecise critics opinion.

This is 90s mindset. This is the exactly mindset that puts them in the fragile position they are today.



Uabit said:


If steam some day goes down we will have acces to all games we already own to download as drm free. Read small letter : ) 


That's a pretty small promise Gabe did only to get rid of the questions. During a judicial bankruptcy process, do you think there would be any resource to go patching things? Do you think the publishers would allow Valve to patch games and create DRM free copies that you could simply put on a HDD and pass to all your buddies?

Think again.

PS.: They would have to patch it. If it isn't possible and they had to provide a new DRM-free download, do you think that a bankrupted company could offer the donwload of entire Steam libraries for most of its users, with all the server infrastructure and extra load?