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Nintendo's Youtube Policy is?

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S.T.A.G.E. on 04 April 2015
sundin13 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


If I was Nintendo I would set aside the strongest upcoming games they have and send them to the strongest Nintendo based Youtubers out there who support what they are doing because it is noticable publicity. They need all the publicity they can get and I suggest they look for the most powerful youtubers under their policy who can show off their product with their sanctions.


I mean, you do have them doing pretty much exactly that by inviting Youtubers like ProJared and GameXPlain to their events to capture footage on Splatoon to upload to their channels...

I mean thats all they can do. If it was up to me I would have PewDiePie and Angry Joe playing their games and give them free copies of my game with freedom of ad revenue to review like other companies have. Truly the only choice Nintendo has like with third party are the ones they narrow out for themselves.



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sundin13 on 04 April 2015
S.T.A.G.E. said:


I cannot advocate ad revenue for lets players, because all they are doing is playing the game and the content is not being used for a creative voice. Should they get paid? Thats up for debate (for me? No), but Angry Joes views mostly come from reviews and commentary, not Lets Plays. Actually his least popular views come from Lets Plays.

You don't know how many hours Angry Joe works. He has to record and edit his videos, which could probably take longer than most peoples eight hour days. He tends not to cut down his edits. He has literally a set at his house. This has become his life as well as for other Youtubers and you can tell by the quality of his production value in his games that he spends quite a bit of hours on them, including the acting, green screening, VFX, editing, Website and much, much more. 


So out of curiousity, how many of Joe's reviews were taken down by Nintendo? To my knowledge, both of the videos taken down were simply Lets play style gameplay videos...

S.T.A.G.E. said:
sundin13 said:


I mean, you do have them doing pretty much exactly that by inviting Youtubers like ProJared and GameXPlain to their events to capture footage on Splatoon to upload to their channels...

I mean thats all they can do. If it was up to me I would have PewDiePie and Angry Joe playing their games and give them free copies of my game with freedom of ad revenue to review like other companies have. Truly the only choice Nintendo has like with third party are the ones they narrow out for themselves.


Neither of those are anything close to Nintendo focused. As I stated previously, Nintendo has done numerous things working with Youtubers directly from inviting them to events to having Miyamoto make guest appearances on their show to working with them on televised commercials...



sc94597 on 04 April 2015
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sc94597 said:

The quotation is SE's policy, not Nintendo's. Anyway, if let's players who do let's plays as their only source of income don't make much money as Youtube celebrities shouldn't they find a job which will allow them to pay their expenses while still doing let's play's as a part time thing/hobby for a little extra cash? Maybe they can join a professional video game review/walkthrough company and have an annual salary? I mean if Angry Joe, for example, really only spends sixty hours per video that is only something like 300 hours per year on average, according to his video count and the first video review he created. Most people work 2100 hours per year. So for every one hour AngryJoe works the average person works six more. This includes the people at NIntendo who are doing their job developing games and who are expected to have some of their games sell well to cover the costs, or otherwise they might be laid off. I mean it is only fair that if a property is being used as a means of production that the person who's property is being used is compensated in addition to the person enacting said production. This is the standard in all industries. 


1. I cannot advocate ad revenue for lets players, because all they are doing is playing the game and the content is not being used for a creative voice. Should they get paid? Thats up for debate (for me? No), but Angry Joes views mostly come from reviews and commentary, not Lets Plays. Actually his least popular views come from Lets Plays.

2. You don't know how many hours Angry Joe works. He has to record and edit his videos, which could probably take longer than most peoples eight hour days. He tends not to cut down his edits. He has literally a set at his house. This has become his life as well as for other Youtubers and you can tell by the quality of his production value in his games that he spends quite a bit of hours on them, including the acting, green screening, VFX, editing, Website and much, much more. 

1. The video that was limited for him was a let's play/stream. It wasn't a review. 

2. Somebody said that he mentioned it takes about 60 hours /video. If we include his movie reviews and top ten countdowns his total time spent on his videos on average, per year, is (60/video*127 videos/year)/6 years = 1270, which is a lot more than what I initially said, but still almost half of what other people work on average. I'm assuming he's adding gameplay to that estimate as well, which means a lot of his recreation time is merged with his work time. 



Chazore on 04 April 2015
S.T.A.G.E. said:
 


Yes, the quotation means, you cannot gain ad revenue on a Nintendo product unless Nintendo gets a cut (like they need it). The Youtubers don't make as much as most think. They are really doing this because they love it.


Okay I take massive issue with this in particular and think it's bs, if you truly believe they do it because they love it then why don't they continue to do it without trying to claim revenue?, most can and I've seen it happen, those that can't put themselves in that position, not Nintendo or anyone else, Joe told us eons ago that he quit his job to jump on the YT bandwagon to make quick and easy money and while it paid off it's put him in that type of position where if he stops getting paid on YT then he's ultimately screwed and even worse in the average society workforce he's screwed there since he's not had a proper working job for years, his only experience is playing games and editing some footage, that doesn't automatically mean he can go straight to hollywood and direct the next big blockbuster movie.

If Joe really wanted to do it for just gaming then he can simply put back up the video and not make a claim for revenue on it if he cares so much about gaming, maybe if he had an actual job like the rest of us working folk he wouldn't force himself to become morbidly offended when a company decides not to play your ball game.

If youtubers don't make as much money as we think then maybe they should look into getting a full or part time job, one that pays more than youtube and can provide you with something to easily fall back on in case it all backfires for them on YT or they leave it.

Simply put if you are truly doing it for the games and not the money then simply go with the program, the flow and don't claim revenue, gaming is supposed to be a past time, a hobby, not something to quit your working career and make a quick buck off to complain about years later when your popularity dries up and your experience shot, not every youtuber will be here in 50 years let alone having good pension schemes compared to folk who work hard for a living with proper careers.



Mankind, in its arrogance and self-delusion, must believe they are the mirrors to God in both their image and their power. If something shatters that mirror, then it must be totally destroyed.

Mr Khan on 04 April 2015
Hynad said:
Goodnightmoon said:

"This is the final Nintendo Angry Rant and the Final Nintendo Video on this channel. Tired of these guys claiming our videos as their own. While other companies are understanding how valuable the youtube gaming community is, Nintendo only see's free labor and dollar signs.

Because of that attitude, I wont be covering Mario Kart, Mario Party, Zelda, Star Fox, Metroid and whatever 17th version of the same game Nintendo wants people to talk about on youtube until they pull their heads out of their asses and stop claiming videos."

This is pure trolling, populism and clickbait. 

This is the guy that made his fans buy him a WiiU, because he doesnt have enough money with 2 millions subs on his channel. And yet he hasn´t review any of its games. Because is too much for him share a piece of the revenue of 2 videos per year to make happy the few Nintendo fans on his channel, specially the ones that paid him a WiiU. Instead he make videos feeding the haters to earn audience. Awesome.


Angry Joe talked about you in the video...

Incredibly thin ice, Hynad.



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XanderXT on 04 April 2015
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Metallox said:
Nintendo's policy is wrong, but only for Joe, since he can't get 100% of the money from Nintendo related videos.

Of course, the company is missing from "free advertisement" and good reputation, but there's no necessity of this video. I understand this is Joe's first stream of revenue, but... come on. Just plug off the cable and let's move on.


Dude...even Pewdiepie had to stand up for the Nintendo Youtubers and he doesn't even play Nintendo games on Youtube. I doubt i've ever seen one.

He's playing Super Mario 64 using an emulator. Kinda hard to say that he won't play Nintendo games, but he actually does. The Super Mario 64 he's playing is even hacked to include multiplayer.



S.T.A.G.E. on 04 April 2015
sundin13 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


I cannot advocate ad revenue for lets players, because all they are doing is playing the game and the content is not being used for a creative voice. Should they get paid? Thats up for debate (for me? No), but Angry Joes views mostly come from reviews and commentary, not Lets Plays. Actually his least popular views come from Lets Plays.

You don't know how many hours Angry Joe works. He has to record and edit his videos, which could probably take longer than most peoples eight hour days. He tends not to cut down his edits. He has literally a set at his house. This has become his life as well as for other Youtubers and you can tell by the quality of his production value in his games that he spends quite a bit of hours on them, including the acting, green screening, VFX, editing, Website and much, much more. 


So out of curiousity, how many of Joe's reviews were taken down by Nintendo? To my knowledge, both of the videos taken down were simply Lets play style gameplay videos...

I mean thats all they can do. If it was up to me I would have PewDiePie and Angry Joe playing their games and give them free copies of my game with freedom of ad revenue to review like other companies have. Truly the only choice Nintendo has like with third party are the ones they narrow out for themselves.


Neither of those are anything close to Nintendo focused. As I stated previously, Nintendo has done numerous things working with Youtubers directly from inviting them to events to having Miyamoto make guest appearances on their show to working with them on televised commercials...

 

First question:

When the Nintendo partnership program started a lot of Youtubers expressed discomfort at what Nintendo was doing. Most who were core Nintendo's fans bit the bullet and those didn't care were free to ignore them and had no problem ignoring their product (which many people are doing to the Wii U right now). How appropo is it to explain the pride in the one who is doing the worst acting like they are doing the best. Joe was about to edit a bunch of videos he had saved on the Youtube database to be chopped up and eventually reviewed or (of for commentary) by the request of his community. He didn't have to do it. He was doing just fine before his fans got him the Wii U so he could do the job and give his opinion on the product. His review stands that he likes the Wii U was better than the Xbox One and PS4 in the amount of fun factor, but he's going to say the truth (which is why people listen to him) in that Nintendo are dicks. He should just succumb to their ad revenue sharing program because it is their product and they are extremely stingy. The law is the law. Nintendo is extremely ignorant albeit talented. Joe didn't even get to the reviewing process nor editing because Nintendo had it copyright flagged in no time at all.

Second Question:

I know those guys are Nintendo focused. If I had my way completely I would give those guys free copies though. They are two of the most vocal Youtube Gamers who would be open minded enough to work with Nintendo, but they will not tolerate Nintendos crap, which is why he's done with even trying. He'll play those games privately. Both PewDiePIe and Joe are both very avid PC gamers though and consoles are secondary for them. Their total views in a month dance circles around Nintendo. 



S.T.A.G.E. on 04 April 2015
sc94597 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


1. I cannot advocate ad revenue for lets players, because all they are doing is playing the game and the content is not being used for a creative voice. Should they get paid? Thats up for debate (for me? No), but Angry Joes views mostly come from reviews and commentary, not Lets Plays. Actually his least popular views come from Lets Plays.

2. You don't know how many hours Angry Joe works. He has to record and edit his videos, which could probably take longer than most peoples eight hour days. He tends not to cut down his edits. He has literally a set at his house. This has become his life as well as for other Youtubers and you can tell by the quality of his production value in his games that he spends quite a bit of hours on them, including the acting, green screening, VFX, editing, Website and much, much more. 

1. The video that was limited for him was a let's play/stream. It wasn't a review. 

2. Somebody said that he mentioned it takes about 60 hours /video. If we include his movie reviews and top ten countdowns his total time spent on his videos on average, per year, is (60/video*127 videos/year)/6 years = 1270, which is a lot more than what I initially said, but still almost half of what other people work on average. I'm assuming he's adding gameplay to that estimate as well, which means a lot of his recreation time is merged with his work time. 

Dude, Joe has a lot that he does. His video's are only one part of his overall Youtube "Angry Joe" Venture. He flies out on location to events on his dime, he shoots on location with his own cameras, he takes the footage home and he edits those as well, runs his website and other things. He also has to balance doing videos for PC, Playstation and Xbox Platforms (Nintendo was going to be there but ...like third parties have agreed, forget them).



Samus Aran on 04 April 2015
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sundin13 said:


So out of curiousity, how many of Joe's reviews were taken down by Nintendo? To my knowledge, both of the videos taken down were simply Lets play style gameplay videos...

I mean thats all they can do. If it was up to me I would have PewDiePie and Angry Joe playing their games and give them free copies of my game with freedom of ad revenue to review like other companies have. Truly the only choice Nintendo has like with third party are the ones they narrow out for themselves.


Neither of those are anything close to Nintendo focused. As I stated previously, Nintendo has done numerous things working with Youtubers directly from inviting them to events to having Miyamoto make guest appearances on their show to working with them on televised commercials...

 

First question:

When the Nintendo partnership program started a lot of Youtubers expressed discomfort at what Nintendo was doing. Most who were core Nintendo's fans bit the bullet and those didn't care were free to ignore them and had no problem ignoring their product (which many people are doing to the Wii U right now). How appropo is it to explain the pride in the one who is doing the worst acting like they are doing the best. Joe was about to edit a bunch of videos he had saved on the Youtube database to be chopped up and eventually reviewed or (of for commentary) by the request of his community. He didn't have to do it. He was doing just fine before his fans got him the Wii U so he could do the job and give his opinion on the product. His review stands that he likes the Wii U was better than the Xbox One and PS4 in the amount of fun factor, but he's going to say the truth (which is why people listen to him) in that Nintendo are dicks. He should just succumb to their ad revenue sharing program because it is their product and they are extremely stingy. The law is the law. Nintendo is extremely ignorant albeit talented. Joe didn't even get to the reviewing process nor editing because Nintendo had it copyright flagged in no time at all.

Second Question:

I know those guys are Nintendo focused. If I had my way completely I would give those guys free copies though. They are two of the most vocal Youtube Gamers who would be open minded enough to work with Nintendo, but they will not tolerate Nintendos crap, which is why he's done with even trying. He'll play those games privately. Both PewDiePIe and Joe are both very avid PC gamers though and consoles are secondary for them. Their total views in a month dance circles around Nintendo. 

And Nintendo circles a billion times around them. The views of Nintendo related content on youtube circles around their comparatively small channels as well.

They're just a youtube channel, let's not exaggerate their importance here.

Nintendo gives free review copies to plenty of youtubers. I've seen channels as small as 2k subs get early review copies.



Samus Aran on 04 April 2015
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sc94597 said:

1. The video that was limited for him was a let's play/stream. It wasn't a review. 

2. Somebody said that he mentioned it takes about 60 hours /video. If we include his movie reviews and top ten countdowns his total time spent on his videos on average, per year, is (60/video*127 videos/year)/6 years = 1270, which is a lot more than what I initially said, but still almost half of what other people work on average. I'm assuming he's adding gameplay to that estimate as well, which means a lot of his recreation time is merged with his work time. 

Dude, Joe has a lot that he does. His video's are only one part of his overall Youtube "Angry Joe" Venture. He flies out on location to events on his dime, he shoots on location with his own cameras, he takes the footage home and he edits those as well, runs his website and other things. He also has to balance doing videos for PC, Playstation and Xbox Platforms (Nintendo was going to be there but ...like third parties have agreed, forget them).

Must be a hard living going to gaming conventions and playing video games all day.