glitch speed runs are not speed runs. They are glitches.
Gotta figure out how to set these up lol.
| Aeolus451 said: Normally, I don't care if people use exploits while playing whatever game but when speed runners who uses exploits get some kind of recogination like being in the news for their so called achievement, I have a problem with it. They are in a way gaining an award from doing it. It's not something that you inspire others to do. Is exploiting a bug or glitch allowable in gaming tournaments with cash prizes or any kind of rewards? Is it considered cheating? Is it something to commend them for doing? I see that you're trying to get me to understand it from that community's perspective but my opinion is already fixed on this. I'll just rephrase "It's being outside the normal game" to "it's being done outside of the intended game by the developers". Like I said, I won't offer any commendation for resorting to using to exploits to win. If you think differently than me on it then to each their own. |
No, that is not ok at all. This is Any%. If you dislike pole vault, would go approach pole vault enthusiasts and claim that their medals are stupid and that their jumps aren't "real" because they use a pole? That is horribly disrespectful and stupid.
You have every right to dislike Any%, but it is what it is. The category is designed with certain rules, it IS A THING. That whole discussion is so stupid, non-speedrunners go in and claim that the work they do is pointless and their achievements worthless. Think about that for a second! Try that train of thought on ANYTHING in this world! IT WON'T WORK
FragilE^ said:
No, that is not ok at all. This is Any%. If you dislike pole vault, would go approach pole vault enthusiasts and claim that their medals are stupid and that their jumps aren't "real" because they use a pole? That is horribly disrespectful and stupid.
You have every right to dislike Any%, but it is what it is. The category is designed with certain rules, it IS A THING. That whole discussion is so stupid, non-speedrunners go in and claim that the work they do is pointless and their achievements worthless. Think about that for a second! Try that train of thought on ANYTHING in this world! IT WON'T WORK |
Actually, how about you try your train of thought in the world outside of the community of Any% speedrunning.
Go into a casino, exploit a glitch in a slot machine in order to win as many times as you want and when the casino finds out, see how they treat you.
Exploit a glitch in a game while in gaming tournament and see how the gaming community d responds.
Aeolus451 said:
Actually, how about you try your train of thought in the world outside of the community of Any% speedrunning. Go into a casino, exploit a glitch in a slot machine in order to win as many times as you want and when the casino finds out, see how they treat you. Exploit a glitch in a game while in gaming tournament and see how the gaming community d responds.
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You have no idea what you're talking about. Seriously. Casino games work by rules, just as Any% does. There is zero difference. Follow the rules or leave. Any% does not allow third party programs for example. Poker does not allow hidden cards in your sleeves. It's the exact same thing. Can you not grasp the concept of a rule based game?
Lame, I'm glad Sony already patched this. I couldn't stand the video, this kid whines non-stop because he can't get his cheats to work.
FragilE^ said:
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Read any of my other posts in this thread to find my reply. I already explained in detail what I think on this.
| Aeolus451 said: Actually, how about you try your train of thought in the world outside of the community of Any% speedrunning. Go into a casino, exploit a glitch in a slot machine in order to win as many times as you want and when the casino finds out, see how they treat you. Exploit a glitch in a game while in gaming tournament and see how the gaming community d responds.
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Actually, in official speed runs anything in the game is included regardless of whether it is a glitch or not. This has always been the case, see speed runs of SM64, LOZ64, Pokemon, Melee, Etc.
The difference here is that this game is online and will recieve patches eliminating these glitches later on, which means it can't be repeated. Therefore, the time won't be considered in later competitions because the lack of glitches will make it impossible to complete at a shorter time.
In fact, exploiting glitches is how the majority of official speedruns actually work. The casino example is completely different because its not even in the interest of a Casino for the player to win at all, let alone win as fast/as much as possible.
That's just the way the games have evolved. Complaining about use of glitches in speed runs is the same thing as complaining about the use of C stick or wave dashing in Melee, the competitive community, speedrunners, etc. percieve it as nonsense.
Typically speaking abusing bugs only matters when the community decides against it because the goal is to win with fairplay. But the only goal of the speedrun community, is to beat the game as fast as possible, by utilizing everything possible within the game.
In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank
Why do people always get salty because "any%" does not equal "any% current patch glitch-less"?
Seriously speedruns have many categories, go watch all bosses runs if you hate people breaking the game and jumping over chest high walls they're not supposed to.
Fantastic run, though I'm glad they patched the dupe bug, that would've really broken the "economy".
Hope they leave the Forbidden Woods jump in just like they left the Duke Skip and Ceaseless Skip in DS1.
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Actually, in official speed runs anything in the game is included regardless of whether it is a glitch or not. This has always been the case, see speed runs of SM64, LOZ64, Pokemon, Melee, Etc. The difference here is that this game is online and will recieve patches eliminating these glitches later on, which means it can't be repeated. Therefore, the time won't be considered in later competitions because the lack of glitches will make it impossible to complete at a shorter time. In fact, exploiting glitches is how the majority of official speedruns actually work. The casino example is completely different because its not even in the interest of a Casino for the player to win at all, let alone win as fast/as much as possible. That's just the way the games have evolved. Complaining about use of glitches in speed runs is the same thing as complaining about the use of C stick or wave dashing in Melee, the competitive community, speedrunners, etc. percieve it as nonsense. Typically speaking abusing bugs only matters when the community decides against it because the goal is to win with fairplay. But the only goal of the speedrun community, is to beat the game as fast as possible, by utilizing everything possible within the game. |
Their way of thinking behind it doesn't work outside of that community. I understand that the majority of speed runs utilize glitches that are outside of the scope of the intended game all for the win or fastest run. Absence of my agreement with it doesn't mean that I don't understand it.
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Aeolus451 said:
Their way of thinking behind it doesn't work outside of that community. I understand that the majority of speed runs utilize glitches that are outside of the scope of the intended game all for the win or fastest run. Absence of my agreement with it doesn't mean that I don't understand it. s |
That is exactly what it means. You're saying the category isn't "real" or "legit". You do NOT understand it.
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