Hiku said:
I didn't say they were (commonly) referred to by the same name. I said that I referred to them in a certain way to describe their functions. The example of the button was just to illustrate that even if two things had the exact same name, they could still have different functions, which is why it's important to be able to distinguish between them. Moreover, people do refer to it as a camera stick at times when talking about its camera controlling functions. When someone talks about the camera stick on a PS3 controller, everyone immediately understand what they are refering to. It's most commonly refered to name however is "the second analog". I never argued that. In fact, I clearly named the second analog stick "the second analog stick" in my first post, and only used the term "camera stick" to describe one of it's possible functions. So that you are now pointing out to me that what I called it is what it's commonly called is quite unnecessary.
And you didn't make it clear because you didn't just bold the specific words you were referring to. You bolded the entire sentence, which could mean a number of different things, including things about their functions, existence on controllers or neccesity. And I'm one for being certain rather than guessing, so for that reason I asked for a clarification.
And even if you had bolded specific words, you're still incorrect. Because this is based on a missunderstanding from your part. "Camera stick" in reference to an analog stick is refering to its ability to fully control the camera in any direction, with analog precision. Everyone knows how the analog stick handles a camera when assigned to do it. And when speaking of an analog stick and saying "camera stick", everyone knows what you are refering to. "C-stick" refers to the yellow stick on the GC controller which had the ability to control a camera in only 4 directions digitally, function as 4 regular buttons, or as 4 buttons combined with directional inputs. Saying that one can "function as a C-stick" does not simply refer to "function as a camera stick". It means that it can function the way the C-stick did, which was not just controlling the camera in a more restricted fashion, but also as regular buttons, or a combination of buttons and directional inputs, like in Smash. When playing Melee using a PS2 controller, it's second analog functions the same way the "C-stick" does. That's why I made a distinction between the "camera stick", and a "C-stick". Had you not been so focused on the meaning of the C, perhaps you would have noticed that. So it doesn't matter what I call them, as long as I make it clear that I'm refering to two different sticks. One of which is able to fully control a camera, while also able to function in the same way as the other.
And your post was redundant because we could have saved some time here if you had explained yourself in your first post. And highlighting the whole sentence did not do that. Also, discussing semantics, or having to explain why the use of one word doesn't suddenly change anything, is not particularly interesting. You just said that you're "not addressing the point you were making", which is what I wanted to discuss. And now you've extended the semantics argument to the meaning of redundency as well. Can't say I'm surprised.
And you wanted me to say "haha true" when it's not? Your interpritation focused only on the name rather than the different functions that the abbreviation distinguished. Saying that the analog stick can function as a "camera stick" and as a "C-stick" accomplished exactly what I wanted. Which was to distinguish them and their functions from each other. You wrongfully limited the meaning of "it can function as a camera stick and a C-stick" to "It can function as a camera stick and a camera stick". In reality it means "It can function as an analgog camera stick, as a 4-way digital camera stick, 4 buttons, and as buttons combined with directional inputs." People use abbreviations for a reason. One of them is distinction.
I've been as thorough as I possibly could here, just to avoid any more confusion, or excuses for deliberate confusion. If you reply in a manner where it appears as if you're pretending to disagree just for the sake of arguing further, or reply just to insult, I'll contact a mod to review this. If not, you're welcome to express further thoughts on it.
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